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A overtly violent and racist POS designed to further tensions between blacks and whites [SPOILERS]

posted 3 years ago by BeenSavage (561)
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This was an extremely hard movie to sit through. It opens up white shaming, centering around gentrification in Chicago. Aside from one black victim, every murder was against white people in the most over the top violent fashion imaginable. On the forefront you could chalk it up as the casualties of a horror movie but in reality it was a weak excuse to slaughter, "racial oppressors" in a way where it's not deemed racist.

The lore of Candyman was never truly explored because the director wanted to hammer in the point of, "white man bad" all through out the movie. Guy gets a bee sting that infects the entire right side of his body but he spends the majority of the movie paying it no mind and when he does get it checked out at the hospital he bails for no explained reason. Eventually he becomes comatose to the point where allows his hand to be amputated in replacement for a hook but again never real get an explanation as to whether he was under a trance or drugged.

The film ends by shoehorning a "death by cop" plot point but done in an extremely contrived fashion. The police basically shoot a dying main character in the arms of his girlfriend and attempt to blackmail her in your typical "dirty cop fashion". I found this ridiculous for the fact that there was a chance that the shots fired could've hit the girlfriend and destroyed any defense of killing an, "armed" (albeit lifeless) black man.

Please don't believe what you see in the reviews. Race baiting aside this was a poorly written movie. In today's social climate you give a movie like this anything less than favorable reviews and you're automatically labeled a racist. You lost me when you had a 13 year old boy threatening to pee in his sister's bed.

[–] degray9 (1126) 3 years ago

this movie was the biggest joke of the year, I fell asleep halfway through and woke up for the ending, but obviously missed nothing of importance. Also it wasn’t scary at all

[–] BeenSavage (561) 3 years ago

I couldn't fall asleep because I was too busy being frustrated on how much of a monstrosity it was.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

LOL what a dweeb

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

lmaooooo!

[–] BeenSavage (561) 3 years ago

"dweeb" lol? I felt the burn with that 90s insult.

[–] vilafire (607) 3 years ago

This movie has clearly hit the mark for a lot of retards and they’ll defend it with all their might. So you’ll get a few emojis and “dweeb”-caliber comebacks, that’s all they got bc this movie is indefensible.

[–] BeenSavage (561) 3 years ago

lol right on.

[–] macken74 (613) 3 years ago

Isn't the writer / director on record as saying he'll never cast a white man in a lead role in any of his films ?
Says it all about his mindset !

[–] BeenSavage (561) 3 years ago

I know Jordan Peele was involved but don't think he was the director. Was he the one on record for saying this? Either way I wouldn't doubt it? The level of hatred this movie has towards whites is next level. I'm also saying this as an unbiased black viewer.

[–] macken74 (613) 3 years ago

Yeah it was Jordan Peele who said it .. Really is shocking that he said such a thing !

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i don't find that shocking at all.

“I don’t see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don’t like white dudes,” he said, nodding over to his moderator pal Roberts. “But I’ve seen that movie.”

he's a black film-maker, and he wants to make black films. that's fine.

i think it's fine if black or cambodian or aboriginal guys or women want to make films about themselves or what problems their group faces. or if they just wanna make happy films about their group. whatever. we're not the film police, and we don't get to tell them what to make their film about.

i have a problem with the ending of this movie. i think it's wrong-headed & simple-minded & strident and...bad. and it ended the film on a really bad note.

but i don't think that there's anything strictly bad in black guys making films about black guys.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

he's a black film-maker, and he wants to make black films. that's fine.

Except he's not doing 'black films'. He's casting white actors to play evil/stupid characters. He's making films where blacks are good or victims and whites are evil or stupid. And he does it systematically.

How many white directors you know that used blacks to play most evil/stupid characters in all their movies? Could you name just one? I don't think so. We're living in the most racist period in the last century. By far.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

if you want to criticize what he does, that's a-ok with me. tear him to shreds!

as i said myself, i think the ending of this film was super-bad! kinda for the reasons you gave above. it was didactic and, to me, a very ugly smearing of a group - white police officers in this case. i don't like that.

but on this specific thing of only making films with black people as leads, i find nothing offensive or shocking or offputting about that. it's fine.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

but on this specific thing of only making films with black people as leads, i find nothing offensive or shocking or offputting about that. it's fine.

Fine. Ok. If you leave the white-demonization and the general lack of quality aside, there's nothing wrong about the movie.

It's like a snuff movie about raping little kids. Sure some trolls will complain. However, if you leave the little kid raping aside and you just focus on the specific thing of casting a kid in a movie, there's nothing offensive or shocking or offputting about that. It's fine.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i am talking about whether it's ok for black directors to want to make movies about black people.

i'd prefer to focus on that, because i think that's interesting and also it's what this little digression was about.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

i am talking about whether it's ok for black directors to want to make movies about black people.

Sure. And I was talking about whether it's ok for directors in general to cast kids in their movies. Where's the problem?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

do you think it's wrong for black people to make black films?

leave peele aside, and whether you think he demonizes whites.

i'm sympathetic to that! i don't know why you're coming after me when i've made it clear i'm not against your position. seems needlessly antagonistic to me.

i really just want to know: do you think it's bad for there to be 'black cinema?' or gay cinema? or insert your group here?

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

I don't get why you get so aggressive. I just took your reasoning and applied it to a different scenario. 😉

If you really trust your reasoning, you shouldn't have any problem applying it there too. I repeat: where's the problem? You should be OK in both cases, though it seems you aren't.

If you don't feel comfortable applying your own reasoning to other scenarios, then don't ask me. It's up to you to find why.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

because it's a weird deflection and not a good faith argument.

i'd think if you actually cared about any of this stuff, you'd be willing to openly discuss things and answer questions sincerely.

that you respond like this instead of actually debating the points speaks volumes. i'll remember that.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

because it's a weird deflection and not a good faith argument

I'm not deflecting. I'm taking your reasoning and applying to a different scenario, as an example, to show why it's faulty.

You can't cherry-pick one element of a context, then isolate it from the context and pretend to continue the debate. If the context is 'Movies with a White-Demonizing Woke Agenda' you can't just cherry-pick the element 'has a black male lead' and isolate it from that context.

'Movies with a Jew-Demonizing Nazi Agenda' are bad. So let's cherry-pick the element 'has a Jew character' and isolate it from the original context. Why do you think movies with Jew characters are bad? Why do you hate Israeli movies?

Rape is Sex+Coercion and it's bad. So let's cherry-pick the element 'sex' and isolate it from 'coercion'. Why do you think sex is bad? Why do you hate couples having sex?

PS And what's even more interesting is that it's you the one accusing me of not using a good faith argument. Ahem... 😂

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i don't care. just go away.

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

So its ok for non whites to be racist towards whites?

You would scream racism if a white film maker said he would not cast a black lead but you are giving excuses for straight up in your face racism.

i think it's fine if black or cambodian or aboriginal guys or women want to make films about themselves or what they think the problems their group faces. or if they just wanna make happy films about their group. whatever. we're not the film police, and we don't get to tell them what to make their film about.

Did you read that before you posted it? Again if you replaced any of that with white you would scream racism.

Why are white directors and writers not allowed to have in your words happy films about their group. Why do all projects which are predominately white casted need to have race swapped characters for diversity but a black project can be fine with having a non diverse cast. Seems the rules only work one way and the fact you are actually defending it is shocking.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

"if you replaced any of that with white you would scream racism."

i promise you i would not.
if i ever made a movie or wrote a book, guaranteed it would be about a middle-aged white loser living in a basement apartment.

i don't spend my mental energy thinking about what other people should do with their lives. i'm fine with anyone doing whatever they want to do.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i also feel like nobody's reading the part of my post where i said i thought the ending of this was really bad.

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

i promise you i would not.
if i ever made a movie or wrote a book, guaranteed it would be about a middle-aged white loser living in a basement apartment.

This statement alone tells everyone you would. So someone against all forms of racism is a "white loser living in a basement" strange opinion to have.

Racism is racism no matter what colour the person is. Jordan Peele is racist and you defending his position means you agree with racism.

You know full well that if a white director said anything you just wrote about any non white people they would never work again but you are defending non whites to be as racist as they want and you don't seem to care. Again strange position to put yourself in.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i feel like you're not listening to me, but are instead arguing against some sort of pre-determined idea of what you feel i must think.

the white loser comment was an attempt at humor. maybe it just wasn't funny. fine.

i agree that if a white director said something like that, he'd be torn apart. i think that's stupid, but it is indeed the way things are. don't assume i support anything like that, because i assure you i do not! argue against that, please! with alacrity!

but if you support a white director being able to say something like that, then you should support a black or gay or female director saying something like that.

i think it's pretty normal for writers to write about what they know and how they live.

as i said to kukuxo, i have no problem with anyone attacking peele or any other film-maker for making bad arguments.

i actually like peele's films, but at the same time i think they are filled with racial pandering and really uninteresting caricatures of racial issues.

anyway, i'm pretending to work right now, so i have to get down to things.

if there's anything else worth discussing that comes up, i'll come back later today to follow up.

happy moviechatting to you, anyway.

[–] Abed303 (282) 3 years ago

"i feel like you're not listening to me, but are instead arguing against some sort of pre-determined idea of what you feel i must think."

It's called the straw man fallacy, a frequent tool of the stupid whenever they attempt discourse.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

indeed! this thread is lousy with it.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

You are trying so hard in these convos lol. But it seems like this movie board is loaded, so ppl are just saying what they want to say at you.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

well...i honestly try to enter every discussion with an open mind and the hope that people will actually want to kick around ideas.

sometimes that happens.

more often you get a dreary boring mess. this is one of those times, lol.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

You should really not bother arguing with these morons. There is a ton of them always repeating the same deranged points and they will go on and on because this is there little echo chamber where they feel quite emboldened

Peele isn't a racist, regardless of the nonsensical arguments that they try to make

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

Peele isn't racist?

If a white director said "I would not hire a black lead" you would call him racist.

So why does Peele get a pass for the same statement aimed at white poeple?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i wouldn't. i promise you i would not.

you just have to scroll up a little bit to see exactly what i said about that. i've said it to the point of being tedious, but i'm happy to keep saying it.

as i once heard a golf pro say during a lesson, 'i may bore you, i may annoy you, but i hope i never confuse you.'

i don't think there's anything the least bit wrong with a black guy wanting to make films about black guys. & i think it's pretty silly for anyone to clutch their pearls in fake horror that there's something offensive in that.

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

So it's ok for a white director to say that he will not hire black actors or black leads?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

absolutely.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

I was not talking to you and I'm not gonna get into this. I've heard your points many, many times and I disagree with them

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

Don't think you undersatnd how a public forum works. You made a statement and it was replied to.

I ask again.

If a white director said "I would not hire a black lead" you would call him racist.

So why does Peele get a pass for the same statement aimed at white poeple?

[–] Burk48917 (10988) 3 years ago

I think it says more about people's true integrity based on the questions they WON'T answer, or lack thereof. I'd like any liberal to answer this question.

[–] Goliard (1413) 3 years ago

I wouldn't call myself a "liberal" per se, but I'm sure many knee-jerkians would. So, I'll take a stab at answering the question:
If a white director decides he wants to only do stories about/starring white people, there's nothing inherently racist about that.
If a gay director decides they only want to do stories about/starring gays, there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
If a Jewish director decides he wants to only do stories about/starring Jews, that shouldn't annoy ANYONE.

I think the only problem any Reasonable human could have in any of these scenarios is if the filmmaker's *motivations* are bad.

But that leads to: who's to say/define what's "bad," in any case?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

lol, i can't say you're wrong. i don't know why i do it.

deep inside, i must love punishing myself.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

lmao I forgot about this thread. I still think it's hilarious that the other poster thought you were calling him a basement dwelling loser.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

ha, i know. that tickled me a little bit too.

i thought my point should have been obvious, but perhaps not!

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

This statement alone tells everyone you would. So someone against all forms of racism is a "white loser living in a basement" strange opinion to have.

He was describing himself as a white loser living in a basement, not you. That was the whole point of his response to you.

That people should be allowed the freedom to only write/direct the groups that they are familiar with.

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

Your opinion becomes irrelevant when you defend racism

[–] Kendricks (2083) 3 years ago

"he's a black film-maker, and he wants to make black films. that's fine."
You're missing the point as to why this rubs people the wrong way.

Everyone sane agrees that it is fine to make films where he decides to focus on black topics or actors - it's his movies, he can do as he pleases. So what's the problem?

Let's say I am a famous director, I am white, and I say:
"I don’t see myself casting a black dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don’t like white dudes, but I’ve seen that movie.”

The outcry, accusations of racism, bigotry, hatred, "white washing the industry" and what else you could ever think of would be through the roof, I would be out of the business 5 minutes after I'd say this, no one would hire me, finance me or ever talk to me again because I'd be a "racist monster that needs to be canceled".

Black dude not wanting to cast white mains? Perfectly fine no problem whatsoever.....

So the issue isn't that he wants that, the issue is the usual double standards of leftists who applaud him, but would cancel me.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i don't mean this to sound snippy at all, but if you look at some of the other posts i've made in here, i feel like i've said repeatedly that i basically agree with you, and i hate that sort of dreary race policing in books or movies or anywhere.

i think the most normal thing in the world is for people to write & make things about their own experiences and life as they live it. all kinds of 1st and 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants to america - jews, italians, irish, any group you could name - have had authors & directors who've made their careers documenting what that experience was like.

that's normal and good & to be celebrated.

i agree that if a white guy said anything remotely like that, he'd be hounded and shamed. i think that's stupid and i hate that shit!

attacking peele for saying something we agree white people should be able to say as well makes no sense.

if this thread was attacking the dreary orthodoxy that we all have to abide by this moral policing i'd be right there attacking it with everyone.

but it's not. it's attacking peele for saying something that's fine. you can see that in the posts i responded to. if it should be fine for italians and jews to do that, then it's fine for peele to do that.

[–] vilafire (607) 3 years ago

I agree except what if a Jewish guy said that he’s never cast a non-Jew. Or, shock and horror, a white guy said he’d never cast a non-white actor? Clusterfuck.

Plus, it’s embarrassing bc Peele is half white. So many mixed kids end up overcompensating. And it’s always in one direction!

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Certainly not the brightest bulb in the bunch.. when blacks are not only a small minority but also a shrinking one why would you decide to cater to them? You don't make moneys to pander to insignificant groups you make them to make money.

[–] blue1981 (6474) 3 years ago

He was the producer, the director is a black chick.

[–] tvector420 (28) 3 years ago

I'm a white male and there's been a billion movies starring people like me. Is it that bad that some directors want to do something out of the norm? Also, Jordan Peele was a producer, he direct this.

[–] nte1igentwon (933) 3 years ago

😥 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–] vilafire (607) 3 years ago

Yeah, this was a piece of shit. But like Us it did have a few good visuals and creepy atmosphere in the beginning. Shame, I wonder what the movie would have been like with intelligent, subtle storytelling instead of cringey propaganda.

[–] atd8vii (592) 2 years ago

The target audience would be lapping this up as it hits all the "Fuck Whitey" cues.

Even the self hating white losers would love it aswell lol.