End credit scene SPOILERS - Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) Discussion

[–] wickerman1271 (940) 3 years ago

Not to mention that his arm is no longer injuried when the Russos said that his injury is permanent , wtf?

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

His arm was in a cast.

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[–] wickerman1271 (940) 3 years ago

Not anymore , he is no longer injuried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-mLzrh81ZQ&t=18s
So the Russos lied.

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

His arm was in a sling. Still injured.

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[–] wickerman1271 (940) 3 years ago

Looks like i was right , his arm has recovered , you can see it clearly in the new She-Hulk teaser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-mLzrh81ZQ&t=18s

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

It can be forgiven if it is addressed in some way. Tech, magic...who knows, but it can still be an injury that he overcomes. It was written as permanent anywhere on film, and that's all that matters.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

Because he can change between Hulk and Banner at will, right? Makes sense he'd appear as Banner to the new guys. Or, maybe he wanted to be himself again, and not a massive beast? Him choosing to be Banner doesn't undo anything.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

No, he was permanently in Hulk form in Endgame. If he could have changed back, this would have been shown. The whole point was that he had become one with the hulk. It's clearly just an excuse to save on the special effects budget for the She-Hulk show.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

Unless I missed something, it was never stated that he could not turn back into Banner. He was able to merge his Hulk body with his Banner mind, but he can also revert to Banner body at will.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

It didn't need to be stated, it was shown.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

Shown when?

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

When was it stated that Tony Stark cannot turn into a Leprechaun?

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

Are you answering with nonsense because you know you're wrong?

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

I am answering nonsense with nonsense. If Bruce had been able to change back, this would definitely have been shown. He spent the entire film as professor hulk, including when he was doing science, which would have been easier to do in human form. Stop reaching.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

In other words, you're wrong.

There was no indication that Bruce was trapped in Hulk form. It was never mentioned, implied, or shown in any way. There is zero reason to believe he couldn't transform at will, especially once he was able to maintain his own personality while in the Hulk's body. We saw how much he liked the attention he got as the Hulk, so the implication was that he was choosing to remain in that form. A massively significant change like the one you assume-- that he lost the ability to transform back-- would absolutely need to be addressed, but the opposite-- the maintaining of the status quo-- would not be.

However, by your own silly reasoning, the fact that we saw him as Banner in Shang Chi is all the proof you need.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

You whole argument is that he didn't literally mouth the words "I cannot turn back into my normal form", which is frankly retarded. Ask 100 people if they think he can change back to human form at will after watching that movie, and 99% will say no. (If you don't believe me, then read all the other replies in this thread or watch some Youtube videos on the subject). You seem to be in the 1%. Which makes you special I guess.
The fact that we saw Banner in Shang Chi shows sloppy writing to save on CGI. The fact that Bruce becoming professor Hulk happened off screen was excusable because there was so much ground to cover in those movies. But there is no excuse for this, it is just sloppy. I hate when they make silly writing choices to save on TV effects. If it is not in the budget for a TV show, then donj't do it in a TV show. In the Inhumans TV series they cut off Medusa's hair in the first episode, which was laughable. Like I said, if you don't have the budget, then don't do it.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

Think about what you're arguing. You have made up a plot point that was never discussed, insinuated, implied, or in any way shown on screen, and are saying the proof that your made up idea is true is that no one in the film disputed it.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

The end credit scene of Shang-Chi had a hologram of Bruce so who knows how he looks for real? You're both worked up over nothing.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

I did consider this. But why would his hologram not look like himself?

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

It was a holographic projection, not an avatar.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

...therefore an avatar

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

Don't be daft, thats like saying the image in a zoom meeting is an avatar. An avatar is something representing a person, not an actual image of the person.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Don't be so easily fooled. It's very easy to manipulate images these days. Certainly with the technology the Avengers possess.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

it was pretty clearly stated that the reason banner had chosen to remain in hulk form was that he had accepted that part of his nature, no? that was stated during that breakfast scene in endgame, right?

which means he can change back or 'un-accept' it, to make up a word.

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[–] FilmBuff (6736) 3 years ago

That's obvious to most of us, but that one dude above is going to have a hissy fit when he reads this. :)

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[–] Towelie_Towel (1723) 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure we'll hear some explanation about this eventually.

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[–] ExTechOp (2768) 3 years ago

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[–] ExTechOp (2768) 3 years ago

I think they were showing us that this movie was set around 2018-2019.

Banner hasn’t merged with the Hulk … yet (it took him “18 months in the gamma lab”)

Danvers’s hair looked the same as it did at the start of Endgame, BEFORE the five year jump.

Wong’s on his own because Dr. Strange is still dusted.

Katy refers to half the population vanishing … nothing about the returning.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

He had his arm in a sling.

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[–] ExTechOp (2768) 3 years ago

So did Tony Stark in "Civil War." Avengers can be injured.

Besides, do the math. Shang-Chi was born around 1996, fled to America when he was 14 and lived there ten years. 1996 plus 24 years is 2020, not 2023

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[–] alienzen (1929) 3 years ago

It would explain why Wong was not with Doctor Strange. But apart from the inexplicable coincidence, Bruce would normally heal from any injuries he had. Also, why was Shang-Chi not in Endgame?

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

It is present day. There is a poster in the movie that mentions needing help "post blip". Also, the director flat our said its in the present day MCU timeline.

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[–] ExTechOp (2768) 3 years ago

If the director says so, then that's that.

I still think there's room for confusion, since "present day" in the MCU is actually 2025. And "blip" is what the world calls the first snap. People were "blipped away," then returned five years later.

But we have to stick the director's intent if no one says otherwise (e.g., "Endgame" writers & directors disagree on whether Cap traveled to an alternative timeline or has been present all along)

So Danvers grew her hair back out after Rocket's crack about her haircut.

And Bruce found a way to revert back to human, but his arm still hasn't healed. That's consistent with the Russos who claimed that Hulk's snap damaged him permanently. I did notice that he seemed to have a lot more gray/white hair, although it could've been a trick of the holographic display.

BTW, I agree that Smart Hulk was in that state permanently. That's why he needed a pencil to operate the time machine -- his fingers were too big. It'd be easier to change to human, unless he can't.

But since then, it's been two years. He could've improved on the process and found a way to change back and forth.

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[–] Burk48917 (11048) 3 years ago

Your point was valid in questioning it, simply by the fact that it was unclear enough that I had to research a little because I wasn't sure, and a interviewer felt it necessary to ask too.

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[–] VanZan (842) 3 years ago

Captain Marvel was fucking useless as usual. And yes that's a personal attack.

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[–] Missemd (274) 3 years ago

Yeah I was surprised seeing Bruce as Banner and not Professor Hulk at the end too.
I even looked up the timeline of this movie on the MCU as it just seemed weird to see him as Banner again although I did appreciate that he had the sling on his arm.
Perhaps it’s easier for him to heal as Banner rather than Hulk - like less energy is used because his physical form is so much smaller when he’s Banner?
Definitely was a bit confusing.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 2 years ago

Kevin Feige was asked about it in an interview, and it was deliberate. So it will be explained in She-Hulk. Probably something to do with him healing. His arm didn't look burned anymore.

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