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I personally find western/horror to be an interesting hybrid. There's really not many examples of them in film, though. Ravenous comes to mind, which I enjoyed.
This movie is also pretty solid--you should give it a chance.
Again, I’ve acknowledged some legitimate similarities exist between the films. However, examples like “black and white guy team up” or “characters who happen to be played by the same actor have similar appearances” are not among them. Those are trivial and do little to support the original argument that The Hateful Eight is a “near remake” of The Thing.
The OP presented a theory, and I respect that. In turn, I addressed his supporting points of evidence. By your definition, it seems that any point-by-point analysis of an argument constitutes “nitpicking”. To me, it’s simply discourse.
Agree to disagree.
Ah, I’ve actually been wanting to see Christmas Evil and just got a digital copy last week.
Unfortunately there’s a Bills game this evening which will have to take priority over the MCMC event.
I’ll try to give the movie a watch at some point this weekend though and perhaps we can all compare notes. 👍
I don’t see how any of my comments are nitpicks.
For example, “teaming up with a black guy” IS a trivial similarity between the two films. That’s not nitpicking, just stating a fact.
Same goes for my other comments.
I acknowledged there are similarities between the films and that QT may very well have been inspired by The Thing. But that does not make The Hateful Eight a “near remake” of it.
Also disagree with your take on the ending of The Thing. It is definitely ambiguous. There’s no way to say for certain that one of them is not the alien.
I don't recall this being particularly gory, especially for a Tarantino film. Inglourious Basterds, Django Unchained, Kill Bill Vol 1, and arguably a few others are all gorier than The Hateful Eight.
Sure, there's some graphic violence here, but if anything, it's the slow burn nature that sticks with me more than the violence. That's actually one of the things I really appreciate about this one--it's quite unique as far as QT features go.
While the turkey mascot guy was (as mentioned) one of his targets, I do agree with your overall point.
The killer was one actually one of my main issues with the movie. I can understand his desire for revenge, but the character's portrayal was too unrealistic. He's supposedly a good, caring man, and then suddenly just becomes a complete psychopath--in the literal sense of the word.
Normal, good people can certainly snap and do some crazy shit, but they don't meticulously plot and carry out brutal revenge schemes while simultaneously maintaining their positive image and role in the community. I just don't buy the sheriff showing up to work every day, showing no signs of anger or bitterness (and in fact convincingly feigning concern for the well-being of his victims), and then just flipping a switch at will to enter into some ‘ruthless slaughter mode’.
Don't get me wrong--there are people out there who are capable of that kind of thing, but again, those people are psychopaths. And, as opposed to sociopaths, psychopaths are born, not made. You don’t just become psychopathic overnight, regardless of experiencing a devastating event.
Beyond all that, the whole "twist" was lame and unnecessary anyway. In fact, the entire finale was pretty lackluster. I did enjoy the movie to some extent, but I was honestly pretty excited for this one and hoping for something a bit better.
DMT is a pretty fascinating compound. I'm hesitant to advocate any drug use, but if you're interested in the subject, there's a book called "The Spirit Molecule" you may find worth reading. (There's also a watered down documentary version with Joe Rogan, though I found it somewhat disappointing after reading the book.)
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I was actually half-joking there. I have nothing against psychedelics and do consider shrooms to be much more forgiving than acid, but if you've never done either, I wouldn't recommend starting out with a "heroic dose".
Good choices there. And now that I think about it, I might agree that The Wall is their most "overrated" album, even though I still consider it a classic.
If you haven't already heard it, consider checking out the 3rd disc of the 'The Wall - Experience Edition', which contains different versions of the songs. It's pretty great and I actually prefer many of the alternate versions to the originals.
Some good picks there. I’m not a big fan of Rush or Black Sabbath but like the others. Pink Floyd is my fav.
If you haven’t seen it, you should check out the YouTube link I posted below—it’s the conclusion of Kubrick’s 2001 set to Pink Floyd’s Echoes. Very cool stuff.
I agree this is an underrated film, and maybe one of QT's Top 5.
Not sure I'm with you on your "remake of The Thing" theory, however.
To address the examples you provided:
1.) "Similar plot and setting"
The characters in both movies are snowbound/isolated and there's a paranoia element, but beyond that, I'd say there's more differences than similarities.
2.) "Kurt looking very MacReady with the hair/beard"
Well, that's because both characters are played by the same actor. And does Kurt even have a beard in The Hateful Eight? I remember more of a big handlebar mustache.
3.) "Teaming up with a black guy"
This one is pretty trivial.
4.) "Ennio Morricone"
Yeah, same composer. That, combined with the fact the two films both had suspenseful tones, it seems logical the scores would be somewhat similar.
4.) "End scene of white and black dude slowly dying"
Again, this strikes me as trivial--particularly the distinction you make that one of the guys is white and one is black. Not to mention the ending of The Thing is much more ambiguous. It’s very possible one of two characters was actually the alien, so there was a whole different dynamic there, making it unclear which (if either) of them was actually in danger of being killed.
I’ll agree there's definitely some similarities between the two films, but then Tarantino is known for using other movies as inspiration for his own (even to the point of replicating certain scenes and shots). He certainly may have taken elements from The Thing and included them in The Hateful Eight, but imo it’s not close to a remake.
Yeah, I figured as much about the actual killing. But he very likely could have added some sordid details to the story just to rub salt in the wound of the general.
There it is!😂
I agree it's an unpleasant scene to watch, but I do wonder if those events actually happened (within the film's universe), or was just a story made up by Jackson to piss off the racist Southern general.
You're really asking for mom jokes on this one. You must realize that, though. Right?
Good for you! That is not easy to do.
"Nope" as in you lack the intelligence to do so?
I keep hearing people complain about this. Personally I never see a single ad here, whether I'm on mobile or desktop. (Knock on wood)
Can your rephrase the question?