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What constitutes an artist "selling out" to you?


I'm not one of those people who believes that a singer or band sold out just because they changed their style.

For me, it's when an actor/writer/director/musician does something that is clearly hypocritical and/or take gigs that are largely motivated by money. I still consider it selling out even if they use "paycheck gigs" to help fund their passion projects (though to a lesser extent). The only true exception is if they're starving or in serious debt.

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Sometimes it's a conundrum. Musicians want to be able to make a living utilizing their talents. They finally land that big contract with a major label; they are no longer an artist but are transformed into a consumer product to be marketed. The industry now dictates what they can and cannot do. Creativity is stifled.

Money destroys everything.

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I'm less likely to call "sellout" than some others, basically I don't say it until I see some sort of violation of professed core values in exchange for big bucks.

If an actor takes a crap job, well, everybody's got to earn a living, and maybe that was the best role going at the moment, that's not selling out! If a musician changes their style radically, maybe suddenly starts wearing sexy clothes for the first time, maybe they met someone and who made them feel sexier than they ever have, or they're sick of having little kids as a fan base and want some adult to pay attention. Not necessarily selling out!

But if some famous person who's been talking the Green talk for years accepts megabucks in order to promote SUVs or someone who's been vocally anti-drug gets paid megabucks to make a pro-drug stoner comedy... sellout!

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I'm with you on this. Folks have to make a living and I'm sure there are plenty of artists/musicians who've done some work at one time or another that they're not proud of and would rather forget.

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Actors' careers have foundered, because they refused anything that wasn't up to their artistic standards. Not that many prestige projects get made, any given such project may not have a role for the actor who doesn't want to do any commercial crap, and if an actor goes for a while without working and being out there where the public can see them... their popularity falls and they aren't considered to be in high demand. So sometimes, actors end up taking roles in films they know aren't that great, just to keep their name out there or to shut their agent up, or because they think they can do something with the role even if the film as a whole is never going to be much of anything.

Speaking of actors, I'm also pretty damn forgiving to the aging ones. I mean, a comfortable old age is as expensive as hell, and there aren't that many good roles out there for actors over 60 or more. So if some of the Brit theatrical knights start taking all sorts of high-paying film work when they're 65 or more, why the hell not? Judi Dench has talked about having macular degeneration and deteriorating vision, why the hell shouldn't she put some money in the bank while she still can.

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I think you're right. Over 65 is tough for actors. They can't be choosy and have to make money where they can. It can also be argued that younger actors doing lesser projects to stay relevant is likely an eye to future earnings. I also think there are a lot of actors who really don't make all that much money. We just imagine they do.

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IMHO there's a difference between "selling out", and "cashing in".

I don't blame someone for cashing in, if they have a limited time in which to make the big bucks, and that applies to all sorts of famous people - actors who are facing old age, musicians who know that their popularity won't last and who let their songs be used on commercials, writers who make paid lecture tours instead of putting more time on their Nobel Prize project. Everyone's got to earn a living and the writer on the lecture tour is going to take less time away from their big artistic project on the tour, than if they had to get a real job to keep a roof over their head. No, real selling out takes moral compromise, like if a SWJ musician let their hit song be used in commercials for a white supremacist political candidate, or an actor know for their Green activism appeared in a movie about an oil industry executive foiling some supervillain who'd made up the whole Climate Change thing.

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People are not understanding what a sellout is.

It's a talented, creative person who compromises their artistic integrity for money, even going so far as to cheapen their talents, as well as completely abandon the base that made them popular to begin with. The selling out is more obvious if they had actually achieved critical acclaim or success before compromising their integrity, meaning that it's not like they had to sell out. They were actually receiving loads of accolades and enjoying financial success.

Someone mentioned Gwen Stefani, who is the perfect example. No Doubt had tremendous critical acclaim and success as a ska band. They were writing songs and making music that was a step above what was popular at the time. They could've kept writing and singing great songs without any problem. But to Gwen Stefani, just being a really good niche band wasn't enough, so she decided to become a trashy Top 40 artist putting out brainless, shallow music for little girls. And then she did that whole really patronizing "Harajuku Girls" shtick to pander to the weeaboos crowd.

Another artist like this were the Black Eyed Peas. They are like the textbook definition of sellouts. They started out as an underground hip hop group with a serious image and message. Then they reinvented themselves as a teenybopper dance/pop band and recruited Fergie--a white chick--to give themselves mass appeal and abandon their urban base.

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An artist supporting the LGBTQ movement or BLM when they come from conservative beginnings.

Changing music styles is selling out if it's just for money.

I'd say Christian bands who abandon Christian music would be the biggest example. Wasn't Nickleback originally a Christian band?

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