He came out, then he did an interview. That's all I've seen. This board has been trending daily for months. I don't think Elliot talks about his transition as much as people here do.
If he didn't come out and make his declaration, you all would still be talking about it when credits were changed and when his name changed his page.
Is it that you would have just preferred that he lived the rest of his life in pain pretending to be someone he wasn't for your comfort?
Again, I have no idea what it feels like, but the person who I know who has transitioned to male, who is not famous, and did not do it for attention at all, told me that everyday they pretended to be a girl hurt, and they were suicidal. Now he keeps to himself, and is just a much happier person. None of it had any impact on me other for the first little bit getting his name right. Again, it impacted my life in such a little way, why would I care? Why do you care? Where is the hypocrisy in just caring about someone? What he did was in between him and his healthcare providers, who are experts on this topic. It wasn't between me and him and the articles I googled on it.
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Burk48917 (11116)
3 years ago
You must be joking? She's talked about this non stop. She JUST dId a topless photo for People showing the chopped off tits. Yeah, she's made a spectacle of it, and not everyone agrees. If you put something out publicly, expect a public reply. You say it had no impact on you, but here you are championing this choice over and over. Also, this person has WAY more of a platform to get her opinion heard, but I don't want her opinion to feel normal to my kid, because I don't agree with it. Your hypocrisy comes from telling me not to comment on it, yet its ok if a celebrity uses their widely larger exposure to comment on their side. That's hypocrisy.
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sslssg (30416)
3 years ago
I'm not championing anything. I'm just asking everyone who comments that they are the experts in regards to this topic just really show how they "know" that transgender for Elliot is just a phase or something for attention. How do they "know" that it's not real. Google searches do not an expert make. There have been many arguments that he is just mentally ill and we shouldn't humour him, yet no one can tell me an accepted treatment for whichever illness he has. Nor can anyone explain the differences between the different conditions which have a relation to transgenderism. If the global medical community isn't condemning it, why should I? I'm fine with them looking into it and getting more studies done and trying to understand the why. Research by those who know what they are looking for is always welcome, but until they tell me otherwise, there is nothing wrong with Elliot and I will respect what he wishes to be called. If he wished to go back to Ellen tomorrow, I'd be fine with that too as it does not affect me.
Also, if it is so proven that it is just a mental illness, do you show the same disgust to any other celebrity that comes out as bi polar, or suffering from ptsd, or hell, cancer or MS?
Probably not. If a person wants to raise the ire of the moviechat crowd, just come out as trans or have a metoo story.
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Burk48917 (11116)
3 years ago
When have I said its a mental illness?
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sslssg (30416)
3 years ago
You are commenting on a thread where I have stated my opinion on the mental illness aspect and you commented that it was false science. So again, until the consensus in the medical and scientific community say it's false, my previous statement is the same.
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Burk48917 (11116)
3 years ago
Well, that was out of nowhere in regards to our back and forth conversation that never touched on mental illness, but I'll play along for a second. Biologically, it is false science, unless you can show me something that says I'm wrong. See, what you've done is completely shift our discussion in another direction, because I painted you in a logical corner regarding having an alternative opinion, which is what we were talking about from the very beginning. That's when you need to look at the situation and decide if you're arguing to be right, or correct, which aren't necessarily the same. I'm guessing at the dramatic shift in topic means you only want to be right, rather than correct, and I don't have time for those games.
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sslssg (30416)
3 years ago
No I'm honestly just having a hard time keeping track of who has said what.
In response to what you have said about the biology of it all, how is it false science? Not in our conversation, I have said often that I am not an expert. I know what I have read and that is all. I do not know enough about the biology of a trans person to know if there is something different in the brain structure. That is why I said that until there is a medical or scientific consensus I will accept trans people as they are. What about the physiology of it? If you are based in science, which I do appreciate, show the science. I can google, but that does not make me an expert.
How can I converse to be correct when I've said over and over again that I don't have the answers? All I'm saying is that Ellen becoming Elliot has no impact on my life, nor should it impact your, or your child's life.
You are right about one thing. This conversation is over.
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