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Unless you have a wife, girlfriend, or daughter why would any guy be a fan?


I've been giving this some thought and I really wonder if you're a guy why would you be a fan unless you're dragged to a concert by your wife, girlfriend, or daughter. It doesn't make any sense to me.

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Cause she's hot

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Exactly.

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And what if she turned out to be a He?

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Then he's hot

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You really should keep your sexual fantasies to yourself, Goober.

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Don't get your hopes up tvfan.

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1. She's your celebrity crush

2. You're gay

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I'm just puzzled how Travis Kelce went to a Taylor Swift concert willingly before they were a couple.

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I'm just puzzled how Travis Kelce went to a Taylor Swift concert willingly before they were a couple.


The concert was at Arrowhead Stadium, where the Chiefs play. He’s a star player. So he probably met her behind the scenes, and had vip access all over the stadium. It’s a perk of the job. I think most people would take the opportunity to meet a celebrity if they had the chance even if they aren’t a fan.

I don’t think he bought a ticket and stood out in the crowd screaming with all the teenage girls like you are thinking.

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No. She doesn't have a gay following at all. That's Lady Gaga. A female performer needs a quirk or excessive style to capture a gay audience. Swift is pretty but rather MOR.

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The gay reference was about soyboys and the emasculated.

As for Gaga, it's no surprise since she's androgynous.

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You don't understand. Certain female performers attract gay male audiences - Cher, Bette Midler, Madonna, Lady Gaga. It has nothing to do with androgyny. Their act has to be campy and outre. Taylor Swift is too mainstream to attract a gay audience.

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Everyone from your list is androgynous, lol, nevertheless; I'm aware that even if their not, they would still have some gay male and gay female followers.

Can you say for certain that Swift has zero followers from either of those two categories?

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She might have a couple.

Are you a soyboy?

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No.

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Are you a joyboy?

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I've always been suspicious that gay men value, or at least highlight, women who display campness, excess or outre-ness.

I know gay and drag are not the same thing. But it is curious that there is a culture of men who accentuate and exaggerate things that people perceive as a negative images of women.

For me, there's a strong dotted line between drag artists and minstrel/blackface acts.

There's possibly simple psychology behind it. Gay men experience criticism from within their own gender for being less than masculine. So naturally they might sympathise and relate to any woman in the spotlight who is unapologetic in the face of misogynistic scrutiny and criticism. I'm sure that's part of it. But it is still a weird paradox. You don't see women adopting the drag queen persona, unless they are trying to appeal to gay men.

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Oh JFC, no, we gay males are not "emasculated". We do just fine. In fact, our lives are less feminized than that of straight males because most of us don't cater to a woman or women. Nothing against the female race, but a straight male has to be more in tune with a woman than a gay male, obviously.

Most of us don't really care what straight guys think, really.

Gay and lesbians tend to go for extremes in art, design and music. That's probably because our sex and love lives put us on the outside of society in the first place. We think outside the box, for the most part.

I think certain straight women like gay men because there is no sexual component to the friendship. A straight male might always be trying to get into their panties.

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I never said "emasculated". And I never said "feminized" but if drag doesn't involve some form of feminization then what does?

When there wasn't an open gay community, it was much harder for gay people to ignore what straight guys said and thought.

"Gay and lesbians tend to go for extremes in art" is a cliche. It was historically easier and far more likely to be openly gay in the artistic community than in the rest of society.

What is "thinking out the box" about drag?

I happen to know gay men who don't like straight women and vice versa. Your reasons why a straight woman would like a gay man and vice versa is valid. But it's not a blanket rule.

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Who cares if it doesn't make sense to you? If a man likes Taylor Swift so what? Why does that bother you?

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Who said it bothers anyone. It looks like just a question. Why does it bother you that someone asks why men would listen to her

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I'm a big fan of hers. I like her voice and some of her lyrics are pretty good.

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I guess you are trying to say her songwriting, recordings and performing are no good, unless you are a woman.

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Some people are fans of an artist's work because of , y'know - the artists work.

Rather than wether they have good fantasies about boning them or not.
although I concede this does apply a lot of the time - hence Boy Bands

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That reminds me that Bill Hicks used to do a bit asking all the women in the crowd who like Billy Ray Cyrus to show their hands. After only one or two women raised up, he exploded "Yeah sure, fifteen million records sales and all the guys in here bought them!"

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