This has got to be the worst movie ever to win an oscar! - Tom Jones (1963) Discussion

[–] crisso 20 years ago

The worst movie to win an Oscar? Try Robert Klane's Thank God It's Friday

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[–] exorcissy72 20 years ago

Or Titanic?

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[–] Jules__Winnfield 20 years ago

Titanic was good, many people dislike it just because they are in the "too cool for school" stage and dont want to admit they enjoed it. It shouldnt of won as many as it did though, ill give you that, but overall its a well made film. I only have two problems with it. 1) the script (pretty corny) 2) that goddamn celine dion song! damn thats annoying!

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[–] jcreighan 19 years ago

>>Titanic was good, many people dislike it just because they are in the "too cool for school" stage and dont want to admit they enjoed it.<<

. . . but most of us dislike it because there's nothing in it that's not cliche, it's terribly written and acted, and it's milking tragedy for the sake of a sopping wet love story.

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[–] JohnData 16 years ago

Back to TOM JONES.

Yeah, it was terrible. And I think the original post guy meant the worst movie to ever win Best Picture.

It's pointless, and I wound up hating the main character.

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[–] cwente2 16 years ago

Couldn't disagree more. Absolutely delightful! (I'm talking about "Tom Jones" here - not "Titanic".) I guess one man's elixir is another man's poison.

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[–] finnegansword 15 years ago

Then you are fortunate to be living in the 21st century and not in mid-18th century England.

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[–] cwente2 15 years ago

Yes. In "some" respects at least.

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[–] JesX 19 years ago

<Titanic was good>
<'only problems with it'... 1) the script (pretty corny)>

That makes a lot of sense.

{wonton burrito meals}

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[–] scritchours 18 years ago

had the guy been nigerian, would you have dared said "truly an idiot - african i presume?" - and no, i'm not american, i just can't stand that kind of comment.

and by the way, the importance of a script is much bigger in america than, say, europe, where they consider directing makes the quality of a movie.

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[–] tamurichard 18 years ago

You're pathetic.

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[–] TrueFiendish 18 years ago

Okay, so apart from the script and the musical score it was okay? No worries. I would add the bit where he kills himself for her. Talk about shmaltz; in real life he might have tried to hang on a bit longer, I reckon...

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[–] rogerbod 19 years ago

Or the French Connection

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[–] jeffc-3 16 years ago

yup.
titanic = 400 million pounds of crap in a 1 pound bag.

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[–] norberte 13 years ago

Bad story but great effects. However Titanic did have its moments.

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[–] aptpupil79 16 years ago

never won a best picture oscar at least

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[–] joenoway 20 years ago

Why? And what do you think would have been a better selection for that year?

Falon

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[–] FredCDobbs 20 years ago

It's a basically a Carry-On type film winning an Oscar - outrageous! And it's crap to boot. That said, admittedly, it was a lean year for quality films but in my humble opinion "This Sporting Life" should have won.

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[–] joenoway 20 years ago

What do you mean "Carry-On type film". I haven't seen "This Sporting Life" but it just got added to my Netflix list

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[–] jim6263 19 years ago

Of those nominated, "America, America" deserved to win and would have been on any other decent list that year (imho), unlike bloated crap like "Cleopatra" (which sorely needed a B.O. boost, coincidentally!). But Kazan was not popular with many in Hollywood, due to his McCarthy hearings participation, so...!?

This is a great quote, Maggie! (as it's true) "A film is never really good unless the camera is an eye in the head of a poet."--Orson Welles

It rings of Sartre's observation that ALL we ever experience (or perhaps it's perceive?) is ourselves!

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[–] nocomputer1962 19 years ago

So, being a comedy disqualifies it from Oscar consideration? There are plenty of worse movies that have won Best Picture Oscars: Chariots of Fire, The English Patient, Out of Africa, The Last Emperor, Gandhi, etc. Just out of curiosity, can you name a comedy that you would have given a Best Picture Oscar to? I don't mean to sound rude, but I'm just trying to get a sense of where you're coming from. (Obviously, I happen to like Tom Jones, but wouldn't have minded if the BP Oscar for that year had gone to Hud or The Birds.)

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[–] mcdowelldjl 19 years ago

The Academy as most of the United States was infected with the "British Invasion" bug and had amnesia. It forgot to even nominate any of the following:
: Hud -- with perhaps Paul Newman's finest performance and certainly Patricia Neal's and who can forget the scene of Melvyn Douglas slaughtering the last of the breed.
: Charade -- Take Cary Grant mix in Audrey Hepburn add Henry Mancini to a sharp script and Paris scenes and you have one of the best who done its. Will you ever look at stamps the same way?
: The Great Escape -- Although changed to appeal more to the American audience, this fact-based story will have you on the edge of your seat.
Also: 8 1/2, Hitchcock's The birds, How the West was Won - which can't truly be enjoyed today since you can't see it in Cinerama; and last but not least, From Russia with love. In addition to the usual gadgets and glorious gals, has the two pals in real life (Shaw {blond and buff} and Sean) having one of the best fight scenes ever. Now it's not artsy enough but at least you'll not walk out of the theatre thinking the Academy had too much twisting and shouting when the ballots were cast.

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[–] Ed-145 17 years ago

mcdowelldjl, good post! You're right. There were very good movies that were not even nominated for Best Picture in 1963.

I did enjoy "Tom Jones" when I saw it in 1963. You've got to take into account that this was way back in '63. "Tom Jones" was pretty sexy and exciting back in the day.

I took two dates to see "Tom Jones". It was a good movie to take a girlfriend to see. And, you know, that's not all together unimportant.

My favorite movies from 1963 are "The Great Escape", "Hud", and "From Russia With Love". Imagine seeing these on a big movie screen again today.

If you're looking for justice, you won't find it when you're scrolling through the list of Academy Award Best Picture winners. Just look at some of the outstanding pictures nominated but lost.

And as mcdowlldjl has pointed out, notice some really good pictures that were not even nominated.

Some years there were several strong movies nominated. Other years the field was pretty weak.

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[–] aptpupil79 16 years ago

great escape

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[–] webmaster-1090 19 years ago

Then, you have not seen Chariots of Fire.

Michael

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[–] theb_ronster 19 years ago

I was HUGELY dissapoined by this film. I had read that this was an epic and a masterpiece, and when I finally got around to watching it, I found it silly and immature at many points.

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[–] kj_cassidy 19 years ago

With the obvious exception of "Life is Beautifull"

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[–] jacqui-3 19 years ago

It was like Mel Brooks does Way Down East. Frothy revisionism with smart-aleck nudge-nudge. no bite.

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[–] gcs3-1 19 years ago

I think I agree with you. This was an incredibly insipid production. I can't imagine how it could have been a bigger waste of time. An OSCAR for Best Picture? PLEASE ! ! !

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[–] rainywaves 19 years ago

You do know that Pearl Harbor won the best sound editing oscar?
And come on, Albert Finney's first line was truly awesome! "it's a good night to be abroad out on a hunt."

It was totally sharky! Complete!

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[–] DC1977 19 years ago

You mean:

'It's a good night to be abroad and looking for game.'

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[–] Tashtago 12 years ago

Unfortunately, you are both right and wrong. True, this is a terrible movie and should not have won best dog catcher. But there are many a film that should not have won best picture. Could it have all been the result of split voting?

other worst movies to win best picture Oscars....

Titanic
Shakespeare in Love
Oliver!
The Greatest Show on Earth
Braveheart

please feel free to add to the list...

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[–] hilar 19 years ago

I have to agree . This film is way over rated and the picture quality on the dvd is is one of the worst I have ever seen.

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[–] Amadeus3000 19 years ago

REMEMBER this is not 1963. When TOM JONES came out is was everything you don't put in movies and a personality that Hollywood didn't and really never wanted to put the spotlight on. This broke so many rules by what it talked about and the way the characters, especially Tom, behaved. And also had one of the best scripts of the 60s. I thought it was terrific, a true masterpiece.

As for worst Oscar winner, HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS won best makeup. As for Best Picture, THE BROADWAY MELODY is by far the weakest one (I have seen all Best Picture winners)

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[–] DC1977 19 years ago

Precisely.

Tom Jones, although dated, was a real groundbreaking film on its release. The reason why it looks dated now is because its been imitated so many times.

I like tom Jones but there are weak Best Picture winners e.g. The French Connection, In the Heat of the Night etc...

They're not particularly good but they did break new ground either in terms of technique or subject matter.

I haven't seen all the Best Picture winners, but, amongst others, I've seen all but 4 of the winners going back to and including Ben-Hur.

They are: My Fair Lady, The Sound of Music, Oliver! and Chicago. As you can see I'm not a great lover of musicals!!

However (and I know this will cause controversy) I think the worst Picture Winner I've seen is Million Dollar Baby.

I thought it was dreadful. It can't even lay claim to being groundbreaking in any way at all. The characters are unbelievably cliched, the script is a dud.

MAJOR disappointment.

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[–] rdrainer 17 years ago

As for TJ having been imitated so many times, I cannot either argue or support that, but whenever I think of "Tom Jones", "Barry Lyndon" comes to mind. As beautiful as it was, and as much as I love the soundtrack of "The CHieftains", I still tend to favor "Tom Jones". Might have to watch another dose of "Lyndon" - tough job ...

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[–] mrura 17 years ago

thats funny. i just came to these boards for Tom Jones (which i saw years ago), because i have just finished watching Barry Lyndon and couldn't help thinking how much it reminded me of TJ. I was curious if anyone else would make the same comparison... and there you are!

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[–] AmyLouise 19 years ago

The film was gloriously bawdy in a way that simply hadn't been allowed in
English-speaking films until the early sixties, and its honesty was very
refreshing. It wasn't a pretty-pretty picture of olden day romanticism,
but very gutsy, and the time was right for that approach.

And Albert Finney, besides being a very good actor, was really gorgeous back
then, before he started to gain too much weight. He had a lot to do with
the film's box office success.

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