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What's wrong with living past 80?


I first saw this film over a decade ago and since then have been praising it to everyone I meet. However, I just watched it for the second time last night, and I'm starting to wonder if its as great of a film as I thought.
The part that really bugged me is this: I can't understand why Maude is so against living past 80. She says that the man at the funeral who died at 85 had lived too long.
Then, she, who claims to love life so much, ends it. Perhaps that's part of the message: that suicide is usually committed by people who are repulsed by life. Maude on the other hand truly loves life and yet opts out. Why?
I find it very cowardly and pretty short-sighted that for someone who claims to cherish life so much, she didn't at least try to experience the admittedly daunting but no less essential part of our life: bodily decay and death. She is still so vibrant and full of life in this film. Was she afraid to see what being immobile or even being in pain would feel like? Aren't both pain and pleasure crucial parts of life?
Perhaps she thought that she had seen enough pain in the Nazi concentration camps and believed that she was entitled to choose her time to go. She may have also, having seen so many others die at the hands of men, decided that it would be a rather empowering gesture to be able to control her own death.
I'm at a loss. I'm losing some of the faith that I had in Maude's suicide when I first saw the film. Thoughts?

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I know. It puts me in mind of that article Ezekiel Emmanuel(Rahm's brother) wrote a few months ago. 75 was it for him. He's in his 50s now--wait til he gets thee and see what happens.

"I didn't betray you--I simply put a stop to you."

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The reason for Maude's suicide is a grey area. This film can be debated forever. We begin the film with Harold staging suicides because he feels empty inside. The film ends with Maude committing suicide because she feels full inside.

I think dying on her own terms is her right. Sure, it can be said that it's cowardly, premature, and selfish. Harold definitely needs someone like Maude in his life to help him see and experience the beauty of the world the way no one else in his life, especially his mother, was able to do so. His father was absent and Harold's world represents all that is askew in the world - pretensions of culture and wealth, bad parenting, joyless existence of living to fulfill obligations, etc. After Harold declared his love for her, I wonder why Maude didn't at least spend more time with him and still die on her own terms later on.

Also, I find it highly controversial that Maude took her own life when she was still healthy and her body was still vibrant. Her body and spirit didn't quite hit "old age" yet. She has been spared of the indignities of old age so far, so why not enjoy it? Also, she has a big fan in Harold who also needs her.

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I completely agree with this post.

I am a French bitch 

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It was in no way cowardly or short sighted. I would argue that it was the exact opposite. She was without fear of death, and knew it to be part of life's natural cycle. She saw it honestly, embraced it, and took control of her own existence in a way most of us would be terrified to confront. She loved life, but it was just her time to move on.

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