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Original age of Marion when involved with Indy?


There is a story going around that George Lucas originally conceived of Indy being involved with Marion when she was a very young age...younger than the 15 years old given in the books. I wrote this in response.





DO NOT READ if you feel this would spoil the films for you! The age given is REALLY YOUNG!




I went to see the first movie when it hit the theaters, with my sister and two friends. We missed the first ten or twenty minutes and I asked that we stay for the next showing, of course not to see the whole film but just the part we missed. My sister got really mad and said the first part was "totally irrelevant." She could not have been more wrong. I went to see the movie in the theater again, this time I think with my mom. It was like seeing an ENTIRELY different film having seen that opening part! I had watched it the first time completely relating to Indiana Jones as a good guy. With the beginning in place it was much more nuanced but nothing like this horrible revelation. I do remember having conversations with people who had seen it and were confused. The actress who played Marion was apparently thirty when the film came out but these people thought she was twenty. Something was supposed to have happened between them ten years earlier and people were like, "What, she had a crush on him when she was ten?" No one remotely conceived of him actually being involved with such a young girl. There is also a scene with a girl I thought was Marion (I don't feel like checking but am sure someone will correct me if not) in a college class Dr. Jones was teaching who was flirting with him. If he taught her in college and met up with her ten years later she would be about thirty, like the actress. It's deplorable that George Lucas thought of such a thing as a girl of 11 with a man who would have been 27 at the time, assuming a birthdate of July 1, 1899 for Indiana Jones, and a date of 1936 for Raiders of the Lost Ark at which time he'd have been 37, but if he met her in college she'd be at least 18. If high school, I guess she could have been 15 like the novels say. Apparently there's a recorded conversation of Lucas saying it's not interesting if she's older than 15. Going by the actress's age, she'd have been 19 or 20. When I was told the actress was only 20, I thought it was a mistake and they should have cast someone older. Glad that was cleared up by learning her real age after all these years. Would I watch the films again? I doubt it. I only saw Raiders and Last Crusade as I didn't want to see a heart ripped out in Temple of Doom and the others sounded kind of silly. I wouldn't rule it out but this is a major creep factor. If I do see them it will be like seeing Raiders that second time, just an entirely different film from the first time. How much did Harrison Ford know about this and agree to?

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The age of the actor has zero to do with the age of a character.

Marion was the daughter of Professor Ravenwood - there's no indication in the film as least that she was a student of his. Most states in the 1930s had 16 as the age of consent with Georgia being 14 during those years for what that's worth. If Marion was 16, that would certainly seem pervy by today's standards, but not so much in the 1930s.

I haven't read the novel, but web sources say Marion was 15 when they started the relationship and is maybe 17. But does the novel say their relationship was physical?

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I haven't read the novels but the movie implied something serious went on. It could just as easily have been a fixation Marion had on Indy as the movie wasn't explicit.

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As I recall, Marion was angry at Indy because she was in love with him.

I'm reminded of The Professional which was about a hitman and a little girl he saved.

It was clear that the little girl loved and admired the hitman. However, the hitman didn't act like he had romantic feelings for the girl.

It's not weird for a kid to have a crush on an adult and the adult to be clueless about it. It is weird for an adult to have a crush on a child. Meanwhile, there's been years of reactions about The Professional that it's "pedo" and so on. But, that's not the case if you watch the film or ever had a crush on an adult, adult celeb, etc as a child.

So, it was my interpretation that Marion loved Indy and he left her behind and didn't take her seriously.

In real life, there's only ten years difference between Ford and Karen Allen.

It takes a lot of college to get your doctorate, about 12 years, so Indy would be at least 30 or older when on his various adventures. So, Marion would have been in her late teens or early 20s when Indy was Dr. Jones.

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Well, Indy did say what he "did" was wrong and apologized for it several times. Of course, it could be that Indy just kissed her or even just led her on and did nothing physical.

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why speculate when you can read the actual truth here:

https://i.redd.it/071drdfa5kd51.png

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Thank you. This is absolutely awful. Thank God they had the sense to tone this way down in the movie.

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Lucas: He's thirty five, and knew her ten years ago when she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly younger at the time.

Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came on to him.


Quoting that in case the reddit link disappears.

Look, few people hate Hollywood scum more than me, but that reddit has no citation attached. If they said that, they should be bull whipped, but I need more than an uncited reddit for me to believe they said that.

If that's accurate, then I agree that they did the right thing to tone that down for the film.

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thank you! i wasnt sure how to copy a quote from an image

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You could probably right click and hit "save" to your computer then open it with another program and cut/paste, but it wasn't that much text so I just typed it out by hand.

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cool

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Not that it makes it OK, but I have to think this was sick humor. I would hope. If it's authentic.

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Good point - context. Sometimes people just goof to be funny and it comes across differently in print.

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George is such a weird and creepy guy in real life. He's not only into pedophilia he's also into incest as well. Yeah, he's talented in some areas, but creepy as can be in others. So, is his pal Spielberg.

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That's Hollywood for you.

Have any of these guys been to THE island?

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Most likely...

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