Dark Knight stole...
Dark Knight stole the whole Mexican restaurant scene especially the when he said that were tonight's entertainment
shareyea I always notice that too!
sharealso the excessive dog abuse
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I'm gonna say it: Dark Knight sucks
shareThe Dark Knight was based on the old western, 'Shane.' There's no way it could've sucked.
shareRoad House was based on Shane
does that automatically make it great?
the only people who say Dark Knight (and Begins) are great are those who have never read a comic book in their life
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Inglourious Basterds
I've read the comic books (not most, but quite a few) and those movies held very true to them. But what most of the so called "die hard fans" don't realize is that a movie is a movie and a comic book is a comic book. Trying to make a movie too much like the comic book just ends up making it terrible (Iron man, Hulk, original Batman movies and so on) What Begins and TDK did was make great crime drama that was inspired by the comics.
sharewtf??
*aside from Superman: The Movie, Iron Man is probably the greatest superhero movie ever
*I can understand not liking Ang Lee's version of Hulk (even if I think it was a tad underrated)
*the only comic book Tim Burton was interested in making into a movie was The Dark Knight Returns; when that couldn't happen, he decided to make the movies in his own way -- and it worked
*Joel Schumacher wanted to make a film version of Batman: Year One (he even had Frank Miller's help writing a screenplay), but was specifically instructed by the studio to make something family friendly that could easily be sold to kids -- IMO Batman & Robin was intentionally bad
*Batman Begins, on the other hand, was supposedly based on Year One; but it completely differs from the source material, containing only brief references that people wouldn't get. It completely rewrote the mythology, and Nolan had the nerve to say Batman wasn't "realistic" and he was making improvements
*the same goes for The Dark Knight; supposedly based on The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween, but contains almost no references to either of them -- because Batman isn't "realistic" and needed to be improved upon
2010 Academy Award for Best Picture:
Inglourious Basterds
Are we talking direct references? Because when Nolan said "based on" he meant thematically. The Dark Knight delt with so called "freaks' taking over the underworld of Gotham, Harvey's slow transformation (psychologically and literally) into Two-face, which also tied in with the story of The Killing Joke (replacing Gordon with Harvey). Batman and Joker's somewhat parasitic relationship (not talked about in the original Batman.
All these things have to do with those comics. And as for them having no direct references: I don't want to see 'Long Halloween: the movie.' I have the book. I want to see a new Batman story on the big screen.
And as for you defending Burton and Shumacher, I say FOR SHAME!!!
Shumacher I can't speak for, but I too fail to see what was so wrong with Burton's version. Very different from Nolan's, but so what?
And I personally liked "Batman Begins" *because* it was so different. It was an actual reboot, with an entirely different villain never before used (that was my problem with "Superman Returns", they pretty much stole the plot from the first movie, gussied it up, and it was rather boring as a result). "The Dark Knight" was also good (Heath Ledger was brilliant), but it was so freaking long. Honestly, there were about three or four different places they could have safely ended it.
And I think most of the new superhero movies are changed a good bit. The X-men movies were just a free for all of whatever could be cobbled together in working order (which actually turned out well, until they jammed too much into the third), and I suspect the Spiderman and Iron Man movies did similar (I'm not so familiar with them though, so I can't say).
The main problem I have with Burton's film is The Joker. Firstly, he starts off as a mobster. The Joker is well known for his hatred of them. This is seen in TDK many times. The Joker (even before the accident) would never be a mobster. Also, Jack Nicholson doesn't even try to make a character, he's just being Jack Nicholson.
Another thing is that the similarities between Batman and the Joker are never brought up. The Joker's just evil and Batman is just good. You never feel even the slightest hint of sympathy for the Joker which is a common occurrence in the comic books. One thing that I'll give the film, though, is that Keaton was most definitely the best Batman. I prefered his subtlety to Bale's out right depression. But should I attribute that to Burton's direction, or Keaton's fantastic acting skills?
The Joker IS pure evil
"sympathy for the Joker is a common occurence in the comic books"?
have you been sniffing glue?
the only time we've ever been expected to have anything close to sympathy for the Joker was The Killing Joke, and even that is iffy: Joker admits he made the entire backstory up, and Alan Moore has gone on the record as saying he thinks the story is *beep*
Joker hates any kind of order, he doesn't single out mobsters
and he was a gangster (albeit a Dick Tracy-style gangster) before the accident: does the "Red Hood" ring any bells?
2010 Academy Award for Best Picture:
Inglourious Basterds
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Joel Schumacher's Bat-films are "horrifically dated & campy to today's viewers", but Burton's Bat-films rank among the best superhero movies
Ang Lee's Hulk was okay, it just took itself far too seriously
Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk were great because they had actual input from Marvel comics
there was nothing particularly "bad" about Superman Returns, it's just that Bryan Singer seemed unsure if he was making a sequel or a remake
Wolverine was truly awful
the X-Men and Spider-Man trilogies are all overrated
Spider-Man 2 subplot of Parker losing his powers was lame enough, but then to show him being an indifferent prick now that he's decided to be a civilian was just abhorrent
I can understand going back to stuffing his face with a hotdog when police cars go speeding by, but to see a man being beaten be muggers in an alley and then just turn his back and walk away completely killed the character
in ten years, audiences are going to be asking themselves what the hell we were thinking praising The Dark Knight as much as we did
since they never grew up watching Heath Ledger, they won't feel compulsed to call him the greatest actor who ever lived
2010 Academy Award for Best Picture:
Avatar
And simply the fact that Nolan is a hack and the scenes that weren't stupid were boring or lame.
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This better put you to rest.
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Uh what? Iron Man was fantastic. 2nd not so much, but the first was incredible. Avengers was decent too.
share"the only people who say Dark Knight (and Begins) are great are those who have never read a comic book in their life"
- Or maybe they are just comparing it to the last few Batman movies that were made. I would consider a play by a group of grade school students great held against something like "Batman and Robin"
the only people who say Dark Knight (and Begins) are great are those who have never read a comic book in their life
Why's that? Obviously it's not true, lots of people who read comics love Begins and TDK. Such as Captain Logan from the geekvolution channel on youtube. You can't find a bigger comic book nerd, and he loves both movies.
I personally think Begins is the best comic book movie ever made and it's one of my favourite movies ever. One of the only movies I gave a 10 on this site to. share
If anyone "stole" the line, it was Heath Ledger. He improvised the entrance and virtually every line of dialogue in that scene, up to the point where he grabs Rachel.
But I'd argue that it's probably a coincidence, since "We're tonight's entertainment" seems like a pretty obvious go-to line if you're in a scene where a gang of clowns is invading a party.
How's that a go-to line? I've only heard it twice. And how do you know he improvised it?
shareIt's a "go-to" line because it's a rather obvious thing to say in such a situation. It's an old vaudeville line, for godsake. You act like The Toxic Avenger script was the first time that line was ever used. Which, if you actually think that, is quite hilarious.
share In vaudeville it was used to announce people who would actually BE entertaining. In Toxic Avenger and TDK it was used ironically. Those are the only two times I've heard it used in that way. So don't go throwing around insults without giving a single thought to what I meant.
I'd also like to add that Joker committed that crime as red hood out of desperation. If we're to follow Moore's story he was a goody-two-shoes before he went mad.
Killing Joke has been in and out of canon a number of times, and even The Joker admits that he doesn't remember his past. What he's "remembering" in the Killing Joke flashbacks may or may not have happened.
Oh, and since I neglected to address this point before, I know that Ledger improvised that line (and pretty much every other line in that scene) because:
A. Nolan said he did.
B. It's not in the script.
What is the similarity in the mexican restaurant in this and Dark Knight? What line?
shareHow about when they're in the car and about to hit the two kids sitting in the road and he says "Rack 'em up" kind of like when the Joker says it in the chase scene where they take down the helicopter. That's what I noticed more than the restaurant scene.
shareLMAO! I saw this movie for the first time tonight, and it was one of the first things I noticed.
Really Jewish Starfish.
Are you referring to when Joker crashed Bruce Wayne's fundraiser for Harvey Dent?
I don't remember any deformed monsters, shot dogs, ripped arms, people being thrown into the oven, a blind girl almost getting raped, a thug getting his hands boiled (and apparently dying from it), or a guy's face getting decorated like an ice cream sundae before being drilled with a milk shake maker.
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Dark Knight also stole the quote "whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you stranger" from the Aeon Flux cartoon.
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