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So Nicholson demanded top billing, above Keaton who played the title character.


Actors are such sensitive pussies about billing. Does it really matter where a guy is placed among the two or three big names on a movie poster?

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you get the royalites from being billed as well as accreddited try to understand actors economics there were two strikes dealing with these issues your the one being a sensitive pussie here.

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Agreed.

Such a weird criticism to have.🙄

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Break it down some more for my sensitive self. Why was is so important for Nicholson – whose name was going to be in bright lights next to Keaton's, regardless – to move his name in front of the guy who was playing the title character of the film? This wasn't an issue for Sir Anthony Hopkins, who accepted being billed behind a young Gary Oldman (playing the title character) in the 1992 version of 'Dracula'.

Are Hopkins, Francis Ford Coppola and Columbia Pictures all morons for allowing this travesty to take place? Or did the western world of '92 somehow have the truly magical, unfathomable ability to also see Hopkins' name on the poster and observe his performance in the film?

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Since the beginning of Hollywood, top billed represents to the studio the biggest name to sell the movie to the public. It's saying "we believe this name is bigger than any name that comes after it and we believe it more to sell the movie."

It's a representation to future potential studio projects that they believe in this name the most based on credentials, level of fame, and how decorated they are.

This leads to better choices of projects with better contracts.

Economics and capitalism 101.

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So if everything had been identical except Nicholson's name being switched with Keaton's on the poster, then Jack's career would have been adversely affected? Sorry, still looks like a petty ego move to me.

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Who knows? Thats not reality. That's just a hypothetical. But it makes a difference in the studios eyes. Aka, the money.

But it's a legitimate reason for Nicholson to want top billing. Aka, your gripe.

Hypothetical are pointless in trying to prove anything. Like "if the star Quarterback gets injured, will the Team definitely lose the game with the backup?" Maybe, maybe not. But there's a legitimate reason to want your star QB healthy.

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Maybe - but in this case, wasn't it warranted? Lets go back to 1989. Jack Nicholson is a huge star. Keaton was, at that time, like this weird comedy actor. No one - I should say I know of not one single human being that liked him being cast as Batman. His claim to fame at that point was "Beetlejuice". Nicholson, on the other hand, was huge. Critically and commercially. It seems to me there would be no doubt he would get top billing.

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Its similar to Superman. Brando top billing then Hackman then Reeve, then for SII Hackman top billing

In hindsight its kind of 'nuts' the studio didn't demand a more 'normal' batman actor like Baldwin (also in Beetlejuice), Kurt Russell, Pierce Brosnan etc. esp with all the prenet DCraig level negativity But Burton knew he had an ace up his sleeve with Keaton who could embody the notion of a 'bat-man'

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Yes, exactly right and one exactly agrees.

Except for one thing - to this day - I still think the man who would have made the best Batman, at that time, 1989, is Alec Baldwin.

Burton did hit the jackpot with Jack Nicholson. Perfect casting.

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Baldwin would've made all kinds of sense, and would've no doubt played it pretty 'straight' action hero to Nicolsons manic Joker, but Burton obviously realised Keaton while not as tall/square jaw/perfect hair leading man looking (Keaton ultimately did have the 'square jaw' look in the cowl and looked dark haired 'bruce wayne' enough in the Wayne scenes) he would bring a something extra.. Like a quirkiness that makes you buy this guy is somewhat not quite 'there' and isn't quite as sane as he appears to be ..(in fact he might be as 'nuts' as the joker)..enough to buy him as dressing up as a bat

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All true bozo - one doesn't disagree.

Keaton is very good at playing tormented characters - like Bruce Wayne.

It's just him playing Batman that bothered me. He's too small, he's not athletic enough. The fact that he isn't debonair - that didn't bother me. I just couldn't buy him beating other guys up cuz, well, like I said, he's too small.

I think Baldwin would have covered all of these areas perfectly. IN fact, the one guy I thought had the whole package when it came to Bruce Wayne/ Batman was Val Kilmer. ALthough, Keaton is better at playing tormented than he is.

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'IN fact, the one guy I thought had the whole package when it came to Bruce Wayne/ Batman was Val Kilmer.'

I actually thought Kilmer did a great job. And to this day nobody has looked better in the suit to me than Kilmer.

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I think Baldwin would have been a good choice. After all, look at "The Shadow". He knocked it out of the park in that film!

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Billing is a huge deal for actors. Both Steve McQueen and Paul Newman wanted top billing for The Towering Inferno. When neither caved in, their names were put next to each other on screen.

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the greats deserve top billing

they have earned it

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Indeed, it's a big deal to actors, studios, directors. It's also a status thing.

The fact that it doesn't matter to OP is completely irrelevant.

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McQueen is on the left and Newman on the right, but that would mean McQueen is “first”, so Newman’s name is higher and McQueen’s name is lower: https://i.redd.it/blkw5yg07o111.png

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Nicholson had a percentage of the gross. It was in his interest to make the movie as successful as possible and Keaton was not a giant star, and he still isnt anything near Nicholson when it comes to audience appeal. So it makes sense he would want to use his name to sell the movie.

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You are right, it's just stupid to want top billing over the title character. Keaton was certainly not an unknown actor at the time.

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The "courtship of Jack Nicholson to play the Joker" in 1988 was in the news a LOT. Like they say, "he was in talks," but here was a rare case where it started to leak that Jack was NOT going to play the Joker after all. Warner Brothers started suggesting that Robin Williams would be brought in and THAT seemed to bring Jack in.

But on his terms. Top billing was a given. So was top pay. So was a percentage of the movie AND a percentage of the toys and other merchandise.

Nicholson had worked hard to maintain his image - for two decades -- as a "prestige superstar" a SERIOUS actor who could win Oscars(he had two when he made Batman and a third would come later) and whose "entertainments" were still "quality movies'(like Chinatown, Cuckoo's Nest, and The Shining.)

Nicholson had spent the 70's and 80's TURNING down big entertainments like The Sting(the Redford role), Close Encounters, and Superman(Lex Luthor.) If he was FINALLY going to cash in on a summer blockbuster, they would have to pay for the privilege. But Nicholson was smart again: he instinctively knew that Batman as the Joker was "hipper" than Superman as Lex Luthor. But Nicholson also knew: if HE did Batman, if HE played the Joker...the movie would leap up as a "prestige picture." (Just like Superman did with Marlon Brando in much less screen time...with HIS top billing.)

It worked. Nicholson scored his biggest payday($60 millon or more, all told) and got new, young fans.

CONT

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Intersting on the billing thing:

In the years after Batman, Nicholson WOULD be willing to give up top billing in certain circumstances(usually involving him getting BIG money):

A Few Good Men: Second billing after Tom Cruise.
Anger Management: Second billing after Adam Sandler. (and what a shockingly bad script that has; its typical Sandler but an awful assignment for Nicholson -- he took it for the money and, he said, because he wanted to do comedies for awhile after the national horror of 9/11.)
The Departed: THIRD billing after Leo and Matt (Nicholson didn't even take "and Jack Nicholson" billing on that one.)

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Doesn't change a thing. Maybe on another movie, but not a movie about Batman when he doesn't even play the title character

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He was a MUCH bigger name than Keaton at the time, it had nothing to do with sensitivity but everything to do with draw, as Nicholson brought the film instant credibility which in turn put butts in the theater seats upon its initial release, before word spread about it being a must see film.
Nothing strange about him having top billing.

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I thought it was weird when I saw Superman as a kid at the theater and Christopher Reeve didn’t have top billing but he was a relative unknown while both Brando and Hackman were both big stars. Keaton was definitely well known by the time Batman came out but still Jack Nicholson was the bigger star.

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