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Who would ever want a memory implant?


I find it a stupid idea.
You have never actually done "it", but they can fool your brain into remembering you did it.
Why?
I do not do anything just for the memory of it, unlike those asshats on socials that do everything just for a great selfie to post. Well, this is like photoshopping you somewhere and then being proud of such an imaginary trip.

Am I missing something?
Would you want an implant of an adventure too risky or a trip too expensive? Or even worse, a hookup too dreamy?
Or what other implant would you get?

I like my reality straight and gritty, I don't need to tint it with some rosey fake memories.

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How do you know you haven't had one.

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Ahaha! Good point.
But I have the anwer.
I know because when you asked me this I noticed the drop of sweat running down your face.

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Lol, good reply๐Ÿ‘

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I could see it being used for people with PTSD, etc.

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Yes, removing traumatic memories for therapeutic reasons would be a good use of such technology, it's using it for a good purpose instead of "entertainment" that makes it legit, like using marijuana for treating glaucoma etc.

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You have not throught it through.

What are experiences in life? Memories. Everything becomes a memory, even you writing your ignorant and downright thoughtless post.

Why is nostalgy such a powerful, big thing? I think the word originally meant something like 'pain from homesickness' or something along those lines.

Why do people cry about the past, yearn for the good, old times? Because they REMEMBER them.

This movie's premise is that it doesn't matter if it's a REAL memory or a FAKE memory, it will be just as powerful to you, and you can remember it just as fondly. You are shaped and cultivated by your experiences and the people you meet - but if you don't have opportunity to do this 'for real', and the fake memories are just as convincing, what would it matter if you ACTUALLY did it or if it's just faked, as long as you EXPERIENCE (the key word here) it as powerfully and nostalgically?

As EVERYTHING you do becomes 'just a memory' - you can't hold on to anything, everything becomes basically sand between your fingers and falls down to abyss of oblivion - memories are THE things to get, when you want to experience something.

What difference does it make if you go to a holodeck to experience a great trip and then come back and remember it fondly for the rest of your life, OR that same memory is just IMPLANTED into you, so you can remember it just as fondly and powerfully, when the end result is the same anyway?

I wonder if you forgot your post, or if it comes back to haunting you as a memory.. wouldn't YOU like to have it be revealed that it never really happened, it was all just a memory implant?

The MAIN thing about all of this is that it doesn't REALLY matter if it's 'implanted memories' or 'holodeck' or 'The Construct' (like in 'The Matrix').

What matters is that there's a macguffin that can give the user a 'great virtual experience'.

The only reason it matters here, is that the story is built around the 'memory' thing.

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So to answer you question; EVERYONE.

Which would you rather have, a vivid memory of you eating oatmeal in a dark room yesterday, or a vivid memory of you wildly adventuring in all kinds of glorious worlds, suited to your tastes, doing exciting things and practicing activities you always wanted to do or love to do, with the kind of people that you would really love a lot, and who would love you?

I mean, it's a no-brainer, OF COURSE you would want the latter implanted to you rather than just whatever you would otherwise have, why wouldn't you? It's an insane question. There's NO argument against the memory implant (if it's safe), but there's gotta be a zillion arguments for it.

Your question is as insane as asking 'who would ever want to have a functional holodeck to use every day'. It's like.. what.. who wouldn't?! If you can have a DREAM EXPERIENCE, but make it feel AS REAL AS IF YOU EXPERIENCED IT, why the heck would you not want it??

Doing the most fantastic thing in real life doesn't last, it will become just a memory. So implanting that memory would basically be the same thing as doing it, except that you didn't do it, but your brain would never know it.

This kind of thing COULD become the 'drug of the future', if there's a dystopia, where poor people can't eat enough and such (hmm.. surely such poverty is just fiction, right.. RIGHT??), so they get some cheap memory implants of eating gourmet meals, so at least they can dupe themselves into thinking they are regularly having luxurious meals, while only eating a rat and a half every week.

I mean, that could make for an interesting story if all the psychological implications are taken into account.

I would probably still not take any memory implants, as I like to keep things real, and I don't believe in hedonism, but spiritual cultivation through pain, misery, suffering and paying your karmic debts. Trying to escape your karma would just backfire somehow anyway (as we can see from this movie).

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It looks like we've got another schizoid embolism...

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I'm never going to Mars. I'm never going to be a secret agent, uncover an ancient Martian civilization, or sleep with peak Sharon stone. I would go to a dream virtual reality world in a heartbeat.

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dream virtual reality =/= memory implant

In VR you know what is virtual and what is not.
In Total Recall, they make it clear that the fake memories are as real as the real ones.
So YOU will not know the difference.

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He's openly told it's fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBEVuzWHaOc and then wonders if the whole thing was real or not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2WIb-r4hA. He's not unaware he could be in a simulation.

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He's not unaware he could be in a simulation.
BINGO
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He knows it could be all unreal, yet he cannot tell either way to save his life. Even if he has the knowledge of Rekall and of his own visit there, he does not discern between anything being real or a fantasy.

As a matter of fact, from his pov he has actually been married to Lori and is a spy for Cohagen etc, even if he is told that his beliefs are mostly just implants. He still does NOT remember what is real (him being a spy for Cohagen or not, etc) nor knows how to tell the difference between reality and implant.

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I'm way past my mid-point in life so I can say that, if it could be safer than what's shown in this film, I'd absolutely do it, but only if my wife would agree to go through it with me

We're late-stage parents, so there are a ton of things we wanted to do but never will, like hike to Machu Picchu or even see Venice (because we're getting too old to do that much walking). We haven't been back to Paris since our honeymoon.

But if we could share implanted memories of those never-to-be trips, I'd consider it worthwhile. Sure, we'd know they were false, but we'd still have had them together.

Seriously, how cool would it be to share an ego trip with someone you love? "Remember that time when we were glamorous super spies"?

Or if she weren't up to it, I'd happily accept an implant of experiencing every Disney theme park ride, worldwide, WITHOUT having to travel there or wait in those damn lines.

Again, I'm getting on in years. I'm losing two close friends to cancer within the next few months. So I've gotten a bit philosophical about it all and I've concluded that it really is all about experience. You can't take anything with you when you go, so material goods and accomplishments really don't mean much. Life is an experience, not a job.

Yeah, I'd do it.

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Well, that's a good and sincere post, I don't agree with you but thanks for your input.

I have the polar opposite opinion as you exactly because of what you say in your last paragraph, that it's all really about experience.
To me, that implies authenticity. Life is a real experience, something you have actually done and it's yours and yours only.
A memory implant is somebody else's idea of that, not yours, so I don't think it's worthwhile. It's not authentic.
It's like going to Vegas and think you've been to Paris or Venice etc.
Actually, it's worse, because in Vegas you know it's all fake and almost a parody and that the real thing is probably not that. With these memory implants you would not even realize it, and you would belive your own ignorance: sometimes ignorance is bliss, but what would you think if I told you that I'm sure I can skip a trip to Rome because I've been to the Caesar Palace?
You would probably pity me.
But maybe I'm missing your point.

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I should state that I'm assuming I'd know, consciously, that the implanted experience wasn't real because I'd see the entry on my credit card statement. I'd know that I'd gone to Rekall, and I'd know that I couldn't possibly have been in hiking through the Alps at the same time when I was raising toddlers at home.

And of course there's still the appeal of "experiencing" what isn't physically possible (i.e., visiting Middle Earth, a colony on Europa or Disneyland without the lines).

To me, it'd just be a highly immersive form of entertainment. I tend to "lose myself" in good fiction, whether it's novels, movies, video games or stage plays, so I'd just view a Rekall implant as a more intense, immersive form of entertainment.

And of course implanted experience would be inferior to the real thing. But I'm already at a point in my life where many "real things" I'd wanted to do, and would still like to do, aren't within my means financially or physically. I'd accept the Rekall implant as the closest I'm able to come to those real experiences.

Because sometimes good enough really is good enough.


Lastly, in a different direction but this just occurred to me, Rekall tech might actually be beneficial. A coward, implanted with false memories (that he knows are false) of having stood up to bullies might be inspired to become braver going forward.

The experience isn't real, but the memories and effects therefrom could be.

But that's a different topic and, in my view, a more boring one.



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Ah ok, then in your own version of this, it's more like a very immersive videogame or movie.
I can go with that, it's certainly something that would be interesting. I love how videogames look so realistic nowadays, that would be an even better immersive experience.

But that's not what happens at Rekall, where their premise is that YOU would not know the difference, and they give you silly souveniers to sell it even better. You would really think that you went there and done those things, and to me that's breaching THE most important part of my memories: that I know what's real or not, and that they are mine.

I can see how it could be beneficial as a cure for some psychological problems, like the one you described to get over a phobia etc, but that's a different use of it, like a useful drug that is abused for recreative purposes: one is clearly good, the other less so.

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Depends on your past I would think. I had a pretty crappy childhood and have been stolen from, cheated on, Betrayed by family, etc. So I might not mind some memories of traveling to Mars to erase some of the ones I have. I get your experiences make you who you are but I can't afford to travel to the Bahamas on my 2+ jobs after paying my mortgage. Nevermind the price of Mars. ๐Ÿฆ„๐Ÿ

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Well, like I already wrote, I think the only value of these implants is therapeutic. So maybe in your case could be ok to correct some traumatic one.

But again, like you said your experiences make you who you are, and usually bad experiences make you stronger. So, use rekall only when really necessary?

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one thing would be that i would want no one to know i went to recall so when i do talk about the trip i took, or whatever thing i had them make me think i did, to other people, they don't roll their eyes knowing i never really went on the trip, making me look like a fool because i wouldn't remember ever going to recall at all and on the other hand i wouldn't want to go to recall without at least one person i knew knowing i was going just in case recall fries my brain and dumps me in the trash or a johnnycab somewhere, it would be good to have someone knowing i went there so i could eventually sue.

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That is one way to go about it.
But that one person and all the rekall people will know, so....

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