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The Wife was a contributing factor in him losing it.


It’s the daughters birthday and she won’t let him come over to see his kid? Just because it’s not the “court appointed date.” Cold hearted shrew. That whole “no you’re not coming over here.” It was delivered with such malice.

Like I get it she doesn’t want anything to do with him, but don’t use the daughter as a weapon to hurt him even more. Don’t hide behind “legal technicalities” to deprive a man of seeing his daughter on her birthday. You can make an exception for important dates, anniversaries or functions. Her birthday isn’t always going to fall under a court appointed date that allows visitation rights.

She couldn’t even convince the cops that D-Fens was abusive. And she sent him over the edge with her dismissive and vindictive attitude. Nice going lady.

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I can understand what you say but early in the movie was established these people have a story of abuse, maybe this woman just wants a happy and normal birthday party for her daughter and she knows if D-fens is there he's going to ruin her day with one of his outburst for any small stupidity.

I like the character and I love movies with main characters like him, that go postal against the world, but he obviously is not the most balanced person in the world and I don't think he's a good father even when he's convinced that he is.

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Fair enough

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Disagree, there is no history of abuse. The Wife could not convince the police that DFENS was a dangerous man, because there was no proof! You cannot call the police on a man because you THINK he MIGHT do 'something' to you. Hell, if that was the case, the wife could have called the cops on any random person down the street on Venice Beach. She could have said the same reasoning, "well, no, that man walking by my house never did anything violent to me, but I didn't want to wait until it happened you know?"

What is true is that DFENS is psychology gone by this point in the movie. But Beth, the wife, definitely was a contributing factor to the downfall of an otherwise productive member of society, who lost his temper once on videotape. Like no other parent ever lost their temper at their child before? Again, no proof of violence, no proof of any physical abuse ever perpetrated by DFENS, NONE!

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What do you think she should have done in that case? Taking him to a shrink might not have worked at all seeing as he never blames himself for his own problems. You don't EVER take chances with someone like Foster in a relationship if he can't control his behavior. You try to distance yourself from them ASAP if they don't stop the temper tantrums or instant mood swings.

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She convinced a judge he was dangerous (she had a restraining order), but because they couldn't charge him with anything they couldn't actively go out and get him on a manhunt. They couldn't hang around all day waiting for him to show up. The first cops believe her, too, they just can't hang around all day.

She wasn't making things up. Bill couldn't hold his temper long enough to not come off as a threatening jerk on a home movie for his daughter's birthday. That video is disturbing. That's not a parent just losing his temper at his kid, that's a parent watching his kid not want to ride a horsey toy and yelling at his wife and daughter to force her to have fun his way. The wife's body language says it all, too; she's scared of this guy.

Bill didn't physically hurt anybody, but it seems clear to me that he was pretty emotionally/psychologically manipulative.

Oh, and insisting on "coming home" through a restraining order is threatening. Making multiple harassing phone calls is creepy and threatening.

Prendergast is right: Bill's the bad guy.

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Happens a lot. Women can make up anything they want about their partner or ex and the cops just believe it.

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She had a restraining order against him. He flips out on the convenience store owner long before he talks to his wife. He was divorced in the first place because (going off those tapes) he was psychologically and emotionally abusive to her. No, it's not her fault.

I will agree that his not being able to see his daughter does exacerbate his spiral of violence, but that's still his fault. Prendergast lets him know as much right at the end - even Bill realizes it.

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She was part of it for sure. The title is appropriate cuz everything in Bill's life was "Falling Down". Then, to add insult to injury, he ends up spending time within society - and becomes even more disgusted. Put it all together and you've got a guy that goes nuts.

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Why do you think she had a retraining order against him? He was violent and his daughter was a afraid of him. A good mother would keep her husband away from her daughter.

He had a gun with him and was a murderer as shown in previous scenes. What makes you think he would let his wife or daughter live if he was mad at them?

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Oh bull, you're just trying to deflect blame away from Foster. Foster is completely responsible for his own fucking crime spree, he was acting in response to stimuli that all of us have to find a way to cope with, whether we like it or not. We ALL have to put up with job losses and reversals of fortune, we ALL have relationships go sour, we ALL have to put up with jerks in public life and everyday petty annoyances, and we ALL find ways to cope other than getting a fucking gun. Mrs. Foster was right to keep him as far away as the law would allow, if anything she didn't do enough to keep him away, because she was right that he was one step away from coming after her and the kid with a gun, and the courts were wrong to require her to let him near at all.

But that's the thing about the Internet, it lets know what the whackjobs and nutballs think! And sure enough, whenever a man does something horrible, there's some loon out there saying it was the fault of the nearest woman. A man molests children or goes on a shooting spree, and the nutball keeps yelling "SHE KNEW" about the wife, or "IT WAS HER FAULT" about the ex-wife that ran for her life for good reason.


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are ya saying our world isn't perfect?

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Ya think?

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:D

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It's a mothers duty to protect her child. This guy was clearly unstable and we don't know the backstory. No doubt there are evil, vindictive women who treat men like shit but calling this out for this film really demonstrates that you have issues with women in your life.

Maybe you should ask yourself why in a film about a man going crazy, you would find the WOMAN at fault and blame her for the things that he did.

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