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why celebrate racists on film?


This artist was a racist - he portrayed blacks as mammies and minstrels - and should not be celebrated in film. Don't waste your time or brain cells on it.

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Some people would argue that Crumb's artwork is a very vivid and purposely ugly sattire of racism. Others would argue that his work isn't so much a sattire, but just an illustration of racism. The argument has been made that art doesn't solve problems, but only present them, as that's the nature of art. Crumb never meant anything he drew to be very positive or enlightening.

But even if you can swallow that easily enough, I have to say personally that a lot of Crumb's work is crude and degrading enough that, dispite his intent, a lot of his images are dirogitory and unnecissary.

People who insist that his works like "When the *beep* Take Over The World" are a satirical look at the backwards nature of racism and how absurd it is by allowing his work to mimic the ridiculous nature of the racist mind.

But it isn't really a sattire, because it is too easily accepted by people who honestly beleive things like, for example, that blacks are inferior, base people, to look at that work and find it a comical depiction of their beleifs. It doesn't make them uncomfortable at all to admit to beleiving what is said in the book.

I don't beleive that Crumb is a racist in the traditional sense. I do think his works in which he purposely re-creates old fashioned racist images, are something of a farce, in his mind, of the world in which he lives. But I don't think his intent really lies in serving as a reminder of how absurd racism is.

To him, it's a joke on the entire world, and he would just as soon insult blacks as anybody else, though he doesn't have any qualms about insulting blacks in particular. Sure, he makes fun of white people too, but Robert Crumb isn't really any kind of a hero based on who and what he likes to pick on.

I think that he is insensative and racist. But he doesn't care, and is probably amused by how offended people are by what he does. I don't think that's very admirable at all.

All that said, this film is an insight into the life of Crumb as a man and an artist. It is a study, it's not a work of praise, it's a picture of a man - a very bizzare and talented man - whether for good or bad. I'm not going to be the one to say it one way or the other, but I think it is valid to argue that what Crumb does is at times immoral and should not be tolerated, but you can't deny his talent any more than you could deny the talent of D.W. Griffifth when he made "Birth of a Nation" which for it's time was a very well-crafted and visionary work of film. But even if you can appreciate that, the movie is fundamentally flawed and offensive in how racist it is.

But this film about Crumb as a man neither commends or condemns him. It's a look at what he does. You don't have to like Robert Crumb to like this movie.

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Oh, you don't think racists should be celebrated on film? Well, too bad 50 Cent already managed to get his movie out and other rappers are also finding work on the big screen. I mean, is anyone more racist than a rapper?

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Wow. How the hell old are some of you people? I read his comics. They were hilarious then and they are a unique reflection of the '60's now. In case you missed it in history class, many of us had served in the military. Many were still holed up in Canada. Most were in the streets in Chicago, Berkeley, San Francisco, Amsterdam, et all, protesting whatever occurred to us that morning.

And all of us (as far as I could tell) were all *beep* up on our particular drug of choice. It made perfect sense and R. Crumb (and the other underground comix artists of the time) were the chroniclers of that time.

As for the movie, the part I remember most was watching his brother go ploddingly insane. It's one disturbing image among many, I suppose, but in all, the movie was remarkable. I loved it.

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uuuhhh the person who started this thread is a fan of "Kangaroo Jack." enough said. to those who maybe think a little deeper, harder or understand things on several levels it is obvious Crumb deserves a "genius" title not a "racist" one. to everyone else; your knee-jerk reactions make sense, but perhaps a little research is in order. or actually watching the movie may help.

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I H-A-T-E people who can't grip satire...Crumb is a humorist, not a racist.

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I can't believe this thread is 3 yrs old...

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3.5 years now

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He's misogynistic.

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Dude...it is satirical...Crumb is showing the sickness of white American culture that he grew up in...watch it again and you will get it

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i didn't bother to read through all these lenghty essays of yours in this thread. I've been a Crumb admirer since my teen-age days and the only thing i have to say is: yeah, blacks DO look ugly in his comics. But, boy can I tell you: nearly EVERYONE in his comics is ugly, be they black or white or anything!
just look at the ways he draws himself...

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Crumb loves black people. His favorite activities include listening to old blues records and drawing Serena Williams' ass. He loves the Williams' asses, he talks about them all the time in interviews!

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ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. If you're going to say that Crumb is racist, then you are completely missing the "point", so to speak, of his art. You might as well say that he also advocates incest, pedophilia, rape, and misogyny. R. Crumb illustrated the dark and ugly side of society. Parts that no one wanted (or wants) to admit existed as much as they really do. Crumb's comics have a lot to say if you have half the brain to see through the exterior. It's SUPPOSED to be offensive and awful because he was trying to point out how upsetting it is to see all of it on paper...and how easily we can ignore it when it happens every day in the real world. Give up reading or even LOOKING at art and do something a little more up your alley like 100 piece jigsaw puzzles. That oughta keep you happy.

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When I first saw this film I was angry. I hated Crumb and therefore hated the movie. I realized a while later, that WHY I hated Crumb is exactly why I should love the movie. The film made us feel dirty and it made me feel uncomfortable, and therefore put me, for a period of time, in Crumb's shoes. This is why it is a brilliant film. I will never watch it again, but don't necessarily judge a film by its subject. I hate the subject but do like the film.

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