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why celebrate racists on film?


This artist was a racist - he portrayed blacks as mammies and minstrels - and should not be celebrated in film. Don't waste your time or brain cells on it.

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You stupid myopic arse hole. Crumb's work is extremely complex NOT racist... have you even read any of his strips celebrating old blues musicians? Also, the usage of stereotypical racist imagery is always satirical and nostalgic. By confronting these images he is critiquing American Culture.

Peter Poplaski once quoted Joseph Campbell, scholar of mythology, while commenting on Crumb's comics... Campbell said that most people don't know what a metaphor is, and so, for these people, a myth is a lie. "Many of Robert Crumb reraders don't understand metaphors either, (and as a result) many of Robert Crumb's hard satire comic stories are treated as obscenities.... "Angelfood Mcspade" becomes blatant racism, "Joe Blow" (a satire on family values and parental influence) becomes an incest story..."

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He's obviously making fun of racism because of how stupid it is.
He's clearly not racist.
You're an idiot.

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Honey, if you have to ask the question, you weren't paying attention.

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He celebrates black muscians in so many of his work. Just read his Patton biography. Or his strip about white record collectors discovering obscure, one-shot blues guitarists (That's Life). Or even his Jelly Roll Morton's Voodoo Curse story. His Angelfood McSpade work is clearly satire, and it seems that too many people take it at face value.

Another thing humorless feminist cretins like Trina Robins (who is a terrible cartoonist to boot) and left wing 'progressives' like Deirdre English are ignoring or mislooking completely is the element of NOSTALGIA in Crumb's work. His fascination with 'the good ol' days and sadness at changing social, sexual and cultural attitudes is ominpresent in his work. His obsession with racist caricatures is more of the simple-mindedness and the innocence of a lost era of cartooning than the vicious racism attached affixed to it nowadays. This bears the question: Have we grown more enlightened, or are we just in denial? What exactly is WRONG with these caricatures, anyway? Why are there no caricatures of white people that society deems offensive (and Crumb's work is filled with grotesque portrayals of White Men)?

Deirdre English struck me as extremely shallow in her critique of Joe Blow and Ooga-Booga - relatively early work by Crumb as a young rebel and contractarian - which makes me wonder if she has read any of Crumb's more explicitly satirical pieces, the ones where he clearly spells out to you that what he is doing is social commentary:

- His Weirdo story "When the N*****s take over America" and "When the Goddam Jews take over America"... How can anyone not see the obvious irony in these strips? The first strip ends with white people working at plantations singing and the their black slave owners saying "White people sure are musical!" The second strip ends with a white KKK caricature blowing up the whole world. Are you as shallow as to think that Crumb is advocating the destruction of the planet eart to esterminate all Jews? (Keep in mind his wife Aline is Jewish herself) These two strips are Crumb's final and ultimate statement on racist hatemongering in America shortly before he moved to France.

- It the strip Whiteman he even explicitly makes fun of an uptight, uber-American's fear of black people.

- 'Lets Talk Sense about this Here Modern America" decrying the decline of the Western Civilization.... at one section he lists everything he hates about America and goes on to name "Cowboy rednecks and other white trash, their wives and kids Coons, Jews, Italics, Wasps... and other ethnic groups, clearly in a knee-jerk, sarcastic manner. In the next panel he is demonized mby a mob crowd as he confesses not to like much about America in general.

I advice you young folks not to approach his work in a shallow manner.. there's more to it than meets the eye.

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I'm a Black artist, and I think Crumb is one of the most important artists of our time. He's definitely not racist, but if he is, it's the good kind.

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Very good piece of criticism, you make some good points....his "When The *beep* Take Over America" are particular favourites of mine, along with "Trash" and the Patton/Jellyroll Norton comics...also that great comic from Weirdo that ends with the Burroughs quote "they will multiply their asses into the polluted seas" (I'm paraphrasing), with all the characters packed together like sardines...and the "Fairy Godmother" story from Mystic Funnies 2, that's another favourite of mine.
I don't think Trina Robbins is a "terrible" cartoonist, her Panthera stuff is quite entertaining...mind you most cartoonists are rubbish when you put them against Crumb...have you seen Poplaski'scontributions to the Comix Book, he's quite an artist...also his "Zorro" contribution to Self Loathing comics, the issue with Charles Burns and Art Spiegleman contributing....thanks for an intelligent viewpoint from someone who obviously knows the work pretty well!

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Racism, although extremely negative, was a large part of real life in the '50s. Crumb expresses himself through negative subject matter. He's screwed up. He admits it himself. If he were perfect he wouldn't be nearly as interesting.

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I know first-hand that he's NOT a racist. We get along fine.

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Nothing in this movie either justifies or condemns racism. It simply shows you the artist's work, and if you don't like Crumb on those grounds based on some of his drawings, that is perfectly fine. But hating on a documentary that simply shows it is like hating a documentary about World War II because it shows the Holocaust along with other things that happened.

Or, alternately, you can stick your head in the sand.

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Crumb wasn't a racist. He drew all humans ugly. Yet, that didn't prevent him from being an amazing and inspirational artist.

"No matter where you go...There you are."

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I dunno, his portraits of women are BEAUTIFUL, unsentimental, monumentally well observed and quite possibly works of genius, witness the many drawings of his wife and stuff from his "Art & Beauty" magazine...the man's abilities as a draftsman are unequalled, and I'd put his drawings up against any modern figurative portraitist, let alone comic artists! What's amazing to me is that he rarely does any under=drawing (sorry hyphen key's not working) for these superlative pieces. Just goes straight in with pen and ink. Really the breadth of the man's abilities is astonishing...if you only know his work from the comics then I'd implore anyone to dig a little deeper, check out his sketchbooks, his record covers (a great collection of all his album cover art has recently been released....and there's a lot more to THEM than the "Cheap Thrills" cover!), the aforementioned "straight=up", "fine art" (whatever THAT means) portraits from life, even his placemat "doodles"!....all evidence of the hand of a true master draftsman at the top of his game. And his adaption of "Genesis" was a work of brilliance...even though the Bible is a pretty uninteresting work (well, certainly the first book!) in and of itself...(if you know all the stuff I've mentioned then I apologise in case I came across as slightly patronising or anything!) If you want crumb's comics at their best buy the recently released "The Weirdo Years '82='93", that stuff is up there with the absolute BEST of his comics IMHO. MY Weirdo's are the "crown jewels" of my comix collection, such a great, idiosyncratic anthology, probably the best of all time along with Raw, Arcade , Humbug! and Kramers Ergot....

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