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A terrible movie if you are an educator


I remember MENC (National Association for Music Education) backing this movie like it was nobody's business, but after it came out they suddenly stopped all the hoopla.

I am a music teacher and I am embarrassed that this film is often considered THE film about our profession. Now I know how math teachers feel about "Stand and Deliver". I find more inspiration in "Drumline" and "Leader of the Band" than in this Hollywood fluff.

Whoever wrote the summary of this film is pretty accurate, except I believe that music is an intellectual AS WELL AS an emotional art form. Unfortunately, this film relies more on an emotional plot than on an intellectual statement.

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I'm not a music teacher, so I claim ignorance of most of the technical aspects of music and of education from an educator's point of view. However, what I want to know is -- how did they (the former students) get together enough to be able to practise The Opus enough to get it perfect the very first time that Mr. Holland conducted it? These people had gone on to various lives in various parts of the country, and they were not for the most part concert musicians, so I find it hard to believe that they could just pick up their high school instruments and play such a grand theme without practise.

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I have had a Mr. Holland. He was my choir teacher, and he not only instilled in me all my values of music, and taught me nearly everything I know, but he taught me so much about life, priorities, and doing the right thing. He changed me so much, and I would not be the same if it wasn't for the four years I spent with him.

Teachers can have a huge impact on your life, and arts teachers have it a lot more often than do teachers of math and english. I think MHO is great, and if anything UNDERestimates the impact a great teacher can have on your life.

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I am thourally convinced that some people just like to complain.

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Studies have shown there is no direct conenction between your IQ and the ability to tpye.

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Some people love it. Some people do not. Regardless of that fact, it is a fact that The Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation has helped hundreds, if not thousands of children study music who normally would not have had that opportunity. I have been in the music industry for over 30 years and know what music education does for children. It's not necessary for me to review the studies that confirm what has been known for centuries.

PS: I own, and display the Beethoven bust that sat on Richard's desk during the filming of the movie. It is a reminder of this wonderful art that enhances so many lives, regardless of their age.

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Oh my lord. You do present an excellent point, yes, but it's not about that!!! It's simply showing that Mr. H. thought his life was "misspent" but it wasn't... what he did [i]mattered[/].

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MENC is the Music Educators' National Conference, the subtitle is the National Association for Music Education... it's a little tricky, since both titles mean the same thing.

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This is one of my favorite movies. Keep in mind that this is foremost a 'people story', and therefore I appreciate it as such. If I wanted to view an educational film I would turn on the public television channel.

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i am not an educator or anything of the sort. i was 7 when the movie came out and remember the first time i watched it. 7 year olds dont have many emotions when it comes to watching characters lives on screen but i remember walking away feeling that teachers can truly impact. i always watch this movie. and now, ten years later, at 17, the age of many of mr. holland's students, i am baffled (and feel some what naive) at why the educators who have previously posted think that this paints a bad light for those in that field. and the laundry list of things that were named of as what a teacher does i thought were right on, but not in a negative light. teachers do touch many of their students, they do expand beyond the curriculum, and so forth. teachers are amazing, i respect them all, even the ones i dont care for. they are expected to do so much with so little (money for example) and if it were up to me, teachers would get paid more than any movie star, professional athlete or anything, because without the time, concern and elbow grease teachers put into their work all people would be uneducated and uninspired. and a great teahcer is famous in their community and is succesfull and is the one that year after year old students will remember and new ones hope to get. i think that this movie was awesome. so please those who disagree with its message enlighten me because i am confused. i have likes teachers more and appreciated them more due to this movie and you sit here and discredit it!

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I am in school to be a music teacher, and my mom was a band director for 20 years before being forced into disability retirement because of her back. As someone who has grown up around music and band directors, I can say that from my perspective, this movie does a great job of teaching the average uninformed person what it means to be a teacher. It gets across the importance of the arts, it accurately portrays the dilemma many communities are facing with regard to budgets and music programs, and it displays how much teachers can influence your life, as well as how much YOU can influence THEIR lives. Yes, technically there are quite a few things that are inaccurate. Mr. Holland's "Symphony" really isn't a symphony, for example. The trumpet spit valve thing- being a trumpet player, the lecture rubbed me the wrong way too. But it was not meant to be a completely accurate portrayal of musicians, but rather an example of what teaching music can mean to teachers and students. You have to stop looking at it for it's technical detail and look at it for the message it is trying to get across.

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How can you say that it's a "terrible movie if you're an educator" ?? I mean, yah, in some places it's really cheesy and contrived, but all in all, it's a great flick. I saw this movie when I was 14. A friend of the family at the time is a sign language interpreter and recommended the movie. I was instantly in love not only because the music was awesome, but because initially, this guy DID NOT want to be a teacher and in the end, fought to STAY a teacher. He had a passion for his music and for his teaching and he wanted to continue to share his passion with more students.

If you asked me, teaching is not a job you go into for the paycheck (though it sure is nice to have!), you're in it because you LOVE what you teach, you have a passion for it and you share that passion with your students and inspire them, even if it's just for a year while they are your student, to love it as much as you do. The guy has a passion for his music and that's something that some teachers really need. As Mrs. Jacobs said in the beginning, "...you have two jobs - to fill young minds with knowledge, yes, but also to give those minds a compass."

As I think back over my life, alot of the people who have shaped my life have been teachers. And you know what, those teachers loved what they did and they just wanted to see their students do their very best. Seldom if ever do these men & women get the grand send off that Mr. Holland's character did, but they deserve it. They often spend their own money to get supplies for their classrooms, they spend hours at home grading tests, quizzes, & essays, they often spend their summers furthering their education. Many go on to get masters degrees (or more!) in their line of work. These hardworking ladies & gentlemen work their tails off for not alot of money because they have passion.

I know I've been on my soapbox long enough, but I'd like to close in saying that this movie, though you may need some wine to accompany its cheese, inspires me to want to go into the teaching profession. Mind you I want to teach computers - my passion - but regardless this movie is part of why I want to teach. Yes, there are other reasons, I'm not that gullible, but this goes to show you that YES you do make an impact. It's alot of hard work being a teacher, but if you inspire even ONE kid to nurture their passion and to be the best they can be, then you've just seen your "opus" and you've done your job to the best of your ability. I'm proud to say my gramma is a retired teacher, my mother in law has been a teacher for nearly 30 years, my little brother is in college to be a teacher and I want desperately to join their ranks next fall when I plan to finally go back to college (seven years after graduating high school) and study education.

"Mr. Holland had a profound influence on my life and on a lot of lives I know. But I have a feeling that he considers a great part of his own life misspent. Rumor had it he was always working on this symphony of his. And this was going to make him famous, rich, probably both. But Mr. Holland isn't rich and he isn't famous, at least not outside of our little town. So it might be easy for him to think himself a failure. But he would be wrong, because I think that he's achieved a success far beyond riches and fame. Look around you. There is not a life in this room that you have not touched, and each of us is a better person because of you. We are your symphony Mr. Holland. We are the melodies and the notes of your opus. We are the music of your life. "

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I love that quote. It makes me cry every single time I hear it.

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Sometimes the more we know on a subject can be a bad thing. This movie was not about the technical side of music. And concentrating on that has made some people miss a bigger point of this movie. This is a man who took to teaching thinking it was going to be good part time work so he could work on his own music, and as time passed he found out he touched more lives, and changed more lives as a teacher than he ever could with just his music. His opus was not the music he created, it is what he sent out into the world, what he taught these people through music, that is an educator. If every teacher in the world was like Mr. Holland our educational system would be a lot better off. If you are concentrating on the technical aspects of the music you are really missing the point.

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I think this stands above most movies (or television shows) about teaching for two reasons. One is that Mr. Holland doesn't enter the classroom and immediately become a great teacher, nor does he find himself in a terrible crisis situation with dangerous, delinquent students. Like most real teachers, he needs time to figure out how to communicate with, and really educate, his students, and as he discovers this, he also discovers a real love of his job, finding, to his own surprise, that it has become a calling. The other thing that is superior about this movie is that the lead character is not a lone dedicated teacher among a bunch of uncaring slobs who are only there for the paycheck, as we so often see in presentations about teaching. The other teachers and administrators are really concerned about their students, and constantly go the extra mile to help develop them. Even the "bad guy," Mr. Walters, acts out of his own honest opinions about what will most benefit the students. I found this aspect of the movie both realistic, and refreshing in contrast to so many other films about teachers.

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That´s your opinion because you see my two aunt are educators and they loved this movie, my old piano professor also loved it.

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