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This movie never addressed the Fermi Paradox


This movie never addressed the Fermi Paradox, which is critical when you're discussing aliens.

If the universe is so big (which this movie emphasizes with the, "Awful waste of space" line) and life is so common, then why haven't we seen any aliens whatsoever? Our planet is just 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is 14.5 billion years old. If there are aliens, then they are likely much older and more advanced than we are, meaning they have the technology to travel / communicate from afar.

The Milky Way Galaxy is only 100,000 light years long and 1,000 light years thick. Even if you travel far below the speed of light, you can colonize the whole galaxy in a few million years, which is nothing compared to a billion years. If life was so commonplace, then the aliens would have been all around us.

The movie addresses the fact that the universe is big ("awful waste of space") without acknowledging the other implications of that size (Fermi Paradox).

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We have barely even begun to see the closest planets, the observable sci-fi stuff like Dyson spheres or death stars may not even be feasible or commonplace. Not to mention that the fastest alien crafts may not even be that fast or they didn't even try since merely spreading around without communications, travel or trade possibilities aren't really meaningful. Or they didn't even survive that long as is mentioned in the movie. Maybe they advance to beings made of energy or whatever before they reach that point even. Endless possibilities.

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Or maybe they ARE communicating with us (or at least trying to) in ways we simply do not comprehend. We can barely communicate with other species on this planet *less* intelligent than us; how can realistically communicate with ETIs more advanced than us?


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The movie has a plot hole?!?
EVERY FRIGGIN' MOVIE HAS A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!!!!!

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Or maybe, they just simply don't exist and human beings just can't handle being the only life this side of the Milky Way. It would seem apparent that the universe is not booming with highly advanced civilizations, hurts don't it? 😂

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Or maybe, they just simply don't exist and human beings just can't handle being the only life this side of the Milky Way. It would seem apparent that the universe is not booming with highly advanced civilizations, hurts don't it? 😂


You think that since you can't observe it that it absolutely doesn't exist. Well there's certainly less intelligence on this planet after having read that. You sound as vapid as any of the characters in this movie.






A good review of "Inside Out": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXC_205E3Og

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Your statement describes perfectly people who don't believe in God as well. They can't see God with their eyes, hear, smell, taste or touch and therefore He must not exist. God is not flesh, but does say there is proof.

The Magi were not of the house of Israel. 500 years before the birth of Christ, they were shown the coming of the Messiah that was written in the stars. (And it wasn't a big star in the sky). They just taught it by a man of God, and they taught it to their generations. So when they saw certain celestial events happening, they started out to witness the coming of the Messiah. And it took them a long time. Christ was already over 1 year old when they arrived (and no where in the Bible does it say it was just 3 kings, just 3 types of gifts).

Why didn't the Israelites know when the Messiah was going to be born? They had the same information as the Magi. Simple. They stopped teaching it and subsequent generations were ignorant of what God had shown them to be able to know when that event would take place.

Many people today are ignorant of the great truths in the Bible and even worse at putting it together (2 Timothy 2:15: Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that doesn't need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth). It doesn't mean God doesn't exist because they don't believe in Him and don't know a lick about the Bible.

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Your statement describes perfectly people who don't believe in God as well.


No, it doesn't.






A good review of "Inside Out": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXC_205E3Og

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The possible existence of God cannot be compared with the possible existence of other intelligent life. Neither of them has any evidence for their existence, but at least there is evidence for life itself. So, if life can exist on at least one planet in this vast universe, then it at least grounds the prospect of life existing on other planets in reality. God, meanwhile, has absolutely zero basis in reality; we have no example of a god 'existing' that everyone can agree on that we can then use as a groundwork for examining the possibility of other gods existing. Again, it's not comparable.

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Atheist like to believe that "God" is something that lives way up high in the sky and is "separate" from our human bodies. Family Guy does a great job of explaining that with a simple animation. The funny thing is that animation is based off the Bible, but is absolutely wrong. The Bible says God is everything including the matter inside you. According to the Bible, God is THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE and infinite. That being said, I don't believe in the Bible. I DO believe that you don't know what you are talking about including the rest of the people who think they know what the Bible (or any other Holy book) on this planet says...........................

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Atheist like to believe that "God" is something that lives way up high in the sky and is "separate" from our human bodies.


No, Atheists tend to reject other people's description of god, because those descriptions lack coherence, precedent, validity, reason, you name it. It just so happens that the sky daddy version is the most popular.

However god(s) is(are) described, they must still be demonstrated. As yet, none have.

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It doesn't seem apparent that the universe isn't booming with highly advanced civilizations. It very easily could be but the distances between stars are immense. Absolutely immense. And they could be too far away for us to detect or for them to detect us.

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IF the Universe is only a certain age, Earth may very well be the "first" planet to form life. It may take billions/trillions more years for life to form on another planet in our vast/infinite Universe.

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The atheists think there is no evidence of God, but "absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence." Haha. I agree it's an aphorism.

It's just my little joke because atheists and their scientists believe in aliens and this is what I get when I say that God didn't create aliens.

It's disappointing for sci-fi fans, but we're stuck in a top speed speed of light world by the evidence, and that probably isn't fast enough to make contact. Our telescopes and high tech equipment seems to do better than space travel. There needs to be a breakthrough for us to space travel. The following vid shows how fast is traveling from the sun to Jupiter at the speed of light. It's slow in sci-fi terms -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmXK1eRo0Q. It takes over 3 mins to reach Mercury, the closest planet. Watch for Earth if you have a few more minutes. (Entire vid is 45 mins.)

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As an atheist, I would be more inclined to believe in a god or gods being aliens. If you consider an extremely advanced alien civilization, they would be more than capable of creating humans for example by modifying ape DNA, and giving us speechcraft and intelligence in general through gene manipulation. It's a theme Prometheus has explored. And even Marvel's Thor, in a more pop culture context.

But until we have concrete evidence...

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"believe in aliens"... No, as a rule atheists and scientists don't "believe in aliens". We don't believe in them in the sense that we have decided on their nature, location or even, in fact their existence. I believe that there is an overwhelming likelihood that life, and probably intelligent life, has appeared at other places in the universe. It doesn't matter though, because no evidence exists and the odds are that any intelligent life out there is so far away that we are completely cut off from one another. My guess is that the first and only evidence of such life we may have is distant signals from critters that are already gone.

Belief that something is probable but unknown is not the same as belief that there is a God... unless your belief in god is so remote that you would not consider changing your actions based on it. Most theists, at least in the USA, not only believe in God but believe they have a book from him and have very structured vision of what their god is and wants and, in many cases, they think they talk to him. Do you see the difference?

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It addresses in form of the Zoo Hypothesis, where aliens keep primitive cultures isolated.

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I must admit I have not heard of the Fermi paradox.

But although our galaxy has "only" 100000 light years in diameter, it contains 100 billions of stars. To me it seems already by the incredible hugeness of numbers impossible to colonize everything.

Let's say on the planets of one out of a million of those stars, a form of life with some kind of tech level like ours evolves (we know nothing of this probability factor). (So in that case there would be 100000 of such civilizations in our galaxy.) (This movie suggests a much higher factor btw, with aliens already at 26 light years distance).

Then still fewer develop the tech to travel to other stars. Then I suppose going colonize another star system is not a finger click, especially if it's really at low speed, and the jump takes 50000 earth years. And for every
expedition, they have less than one out of a million chance to encounter another civilization, with my example factor.

Also, many civilizations may disappear before their first jump to another star. Like if tomorrow starts World War III here, we are done.

And I have not talked about other galaxies yet.

So I think there are, and have been, many, many "others" throughout the universe. Some may have met, but not with us, and maybe that's never going to happen just for the big numbers. I could hardly believe the results of a recent Imdb poll "are we alone in universe?" where the big majority voted: yes, there are no others.

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The Fermi Paradox makes a lot of assumptions, one of which is that we should be able to detect communications between advanced aliens. Another is that alien species would have the urge/need to spread as far & as fast as possible.

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The Fermi Paradox, like the Drake Equation, contains so many variables as to render any conclusions purely speculative.

One immediate problem with Fermi is that any intelligent life forms developing under the ground surface or submerged in liquids on any planet, would likely perceive no necessity to communicate off-planet for extremely long periods compared with surface-dwelling beings such as ourselves with direct sensory perceptions of astronomical objects outside the native planet.


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4) You ever seen Superman $#$# his pants? Case closed.

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Everyone assumes that there are advanced beings, more advanced then we are. But I believe the Fermi Paradox even states that perhaps WE are the most advanced beings in the universe right now, and there is some planet somewhere that has beings banging sticks on rocks right now. Its possible

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/\ this... somebody has to be first, and it could be us

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We may be the only sentient beings in the Milky Way, maybe the next galaxy over might have two or none... and traveling between galaxies is another set of *beep*

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The answer is simple really. It is impossible to travel long distances through space. It is impossible to communicate long distances through space. No species in the universe has been able to do it yet because it is impossible. Yes we have theories of how it might be done, but if it could be done we would have seen aliens by now. The only conclusion possible is that those theories on how long distance space travel and communications could be done are wrong.
We are not alone in the universe, but because we can never reach those other aliens, we may as well think of ourselves as alone.

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This is my critique to the Fermi Paradox as well, but you should never use definitive terms like "the answer is" or "it is impossible to..." when it comes to astronomy, or science in general. Think Socrates :)

Science is about trying to map and explain what "this" (the universe and everything in it) is, through observations and theories that support or contradict eachother.

Lets leave the "I knows" to the religious :)

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Compare the world now to the world 200 years ago. Many things were thought impossible, or not even imagined at all.

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I don't think we have enough evidence to state that most alien races would be much more advanced than us. Sure there's a thin probability that some really are more advanced than us, but even so, they'd be incredibly rare at least in our galaxy. Organic life forms require carbon or nitrogen, for which is necessary that primordial stars to explode and reorganize into planets like ours, so, it's pretty much safe to say that in our Milky way there's low probability of existing planets any older than about 10B years, and even so, there's an even lower probability that they could have enough sustainability to last until an advanced civilization is formed.

For all we know, we could actually be some of the first rare life forms to ever get into space.

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