Jar Jar Was A Sith Lord


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA&t=17s

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I am SO glad that idea was scrapped! Because rumor has it that Jar-Jar was supposed to be revealed as the Apprentice Sith, and when everyone who saw the movie just fucking hated him, the whole concept was ditched and Christopher Lee was hired to be a more believable Sith.

And Jar-Jar became the fool that tanked galactic democracy.

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So if everyone hated Jar Jar so much, then wouldn't have made more sense to have him be a sith lord, since we are supposed to hate the sith anyways

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A good villain is someone you love to hate, like, you know, Palpatine.

But in order to love-to-hate a character, you have to take them seriously, and nobody could ever take Jar-Jar seriously! No, he was an annoying pest and everyone just wanted him to go away, and apparently Lucas thought everyone would be charmed by him.

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Lucas was *kinda* right. Jar-Jar is loved by 8 year olds, which are who the character is targeted at anyway.

So he was right, from a certain point of view.

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I've never met anyone in real life who would admit to liking Jar-Jar, even those of an age to have been exposed to the character as young children. Okay, I've seen a few people online say they liked the character, but most or all of them were trolling.

That said, I avoid having anything to do with eight-year-olds.

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I've known a few kids who like Jar-Jar and I've known parents who've said things like, "Yeah, I don't get it; he/she loves Jar-Jar."

If I'm being 100% honest, though, I mostly just wanted to do the "certain point of view" line.

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my dad buy a bunch of jar jar frisbees at an auction when I was a kid and he is my favorite Star Wars character as a result

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I only saw the movie I theatre but I thought Jar-Jar was funny in a charming way. My kids also saw the movie on Disney and they said he was weird and they didn’t like him very much. Ha!

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Got a good chuckle out of this

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I've never bought this theory. I understand why the idea is intriguing, but I don't think that was Lucas' intention.

I'm less than a minute into the video and it says, "As we know, the Jedi are inspired by Shaolin monks". I didn't know that. I did a quick internet search and couldn't find George Lucas saying that. Given Star Wars' origins in Kurosawa film, I'd have guessed more of a samurai influence?

Next the video starts talking about how Jar-Jar drops and dangles from a ledge JUST LIKE A JEDI! and then he drops into frame later from a different place. Continuity errors make him a Force wielder...?

And this, generally, is my problem with this theory: most of the "evidence" seems to be a bunch of conspiracy theorist-type over-analysis of non-starter moments while yelling, "Isn't this proof!? Hm!? HMM!?" and it doesn't work for me.

But let's entertain this for a second. Let's say Lucas' intent was to make Jar-Jar a Sith. First of all, given his use of Jar-Jar in the second two films of the prequels, despite fans loathing the character, I think - if anything - Lucas proved that he was not interested in whether or not anybody hated Jar-Jar. Lucas was going to use him regardless of fan disinterest. So why would he alter his plot twist to please anybody?

Furthermore, even if he intended to use Jar-Jar in that way, he didn't. So it didn't happen, even if it was toyed with.

It also flies in the face of the "rule of two". Sidious, Maul, Jar-Jar, and Tyrannos would be active in clusters of three, not two. Unless that rule is a lie? One can only hope. That was a stupid rule. But if the Jedi got that wrong, it's never revealed, so why make it a lie if we the audience never learn about it? Makes no sense.

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So what was the purpose of reducing Jar Jar's involvement in the trilogy in terms of how much he featured whilst making him such a pivotal character at the same time (bringing about the fall of democracy)?

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I think his role diminished for two reasons. First is that it just made less and less sense for him to be an active participant. He kinda sticks to the main cast like a barnacle in The Phantom Menace, but after that, there's just no reason for him to be following Anakin or Padme around so he isn't. Even so, I think Lucas tried shoehorning him in, which is why he's in Episode II talking to the senate even though his whole personality and intelligence level suggest he... well, actually maybe that calibre of intellect should be in government. Ba-dump-bump.

The second reason is target audience. TPM seems aimed at children. 8-12 year-olds, I think. Attack of the Clones was a bit higher with the love story and more prominent political machinations. Revenge of the Sith has some tragic moments and horrible things happen, so it's clear this isn't for 10 year-olds anymore. I think Lucas was aging the films with a theoretical cohort of Star Wars fans who started with TPM. Basically, either Jar-Jar would be unrecognizable as a character, or else his slapstick antics would just be too jarring next to scenes of Jedi being cut down by Clone Troopers.

I mean, imagine Anakin slaughtering children and then Jar-Jar comes in, yells, "Oh, no-sah, Ani! What'n yousa doin'!?" and then slips on some blood with a comedy "boing" sound effect. I just can't see it. It's even impossible to imagine Jar-Jar reacting to anything in a serious tone because the whole way the character speaks and moves is designed to be silly.

So why keep him in at all? Why use him in Episode II? Well, I think there are two reasons there as well. One is practicality: he's an idiot, so he's easily duped into doing things. Of course, this sword has two edges and it doesn't make sense that he'd be left in charge, but that's a flaw whether he was meant to be the Dark Lord of the Sith or not.

The second reason is that I suspect Lucas heard about the hate for Jar-Jar and I think he resented that, and I think he put Jar-Jar in just to screw with people who hated him. This is only a suspicion, but I'm thinking about Episode III when he doesn't have any relevance to the plot, but he walks by the camera and looks directly into it (or close) like a middle finger to everybody who didn't like the character. Maybe it's Lucas being resentful of fan rejection, maybe he's just mad that Ahmed Best got depressed over the poor reaction and he was giving Best some work and a little support, but either way, I think this might have been a small factor in Jar-Jar's appearances.

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It's also possible that his role petered out because Lucas sat down to write Episode II and wanted to include all of the main cast from Episode I and he couldn't think of anything else for Jar-Jar to do because he never had a plan for the character at all past TPM.

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Like many far-fetched theories, the "proof" is only proof if you already believe the result.

Then people who buy into it are aghast that you can look at the same thing they do and not see that it "proves" what they're saying.

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Yes. Although, with the caveat that theories like this can be great fun to toy with while discussing films.

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"First of all, given his use of Jar-Jar in the second two films of the prequels, despite fans loathing the character, I think - if anything - Lucas proved that he was not interested in whether or not anybody hated Jar-Jar. Lucas was going to use him regardless of fan disinterest."

Well, if there's anything to the Sith theory, then the idea is that Lucas dropped it between "PM" and
"AOTC", because audiences hated that character. He liked the character enough to keep him around, and if he had the annoying food be the one who gave democracy its final drop-kick, that was a compromise between Lucas's fondness for the character and audiences' dislike.

Also, the "Rule of Two" was kind of fudged during "Clone Wars", where there were two official Sith... and many Sith apprentices. Because two Sith vs. the entire Jedi Order is a bit of a mismatch, the and it's silly to just have two Siths, when one of them is always plotting to kill the other and they're doing things which can get them killed without warning. How to keep a continuity of Sith culture and knowledge, with only two alive at the same time? There have to be more, and the "Clone Wars" show shoehorned more in.

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My point is that I don't think Lucas was going with audience pressure. Especially if Jar-Jar was so important, it seems more likely to me that he'd double-down on that because that reveal might work. I think it's far more likely that he did exactly what he intended to do with the character: used him as a comedy sidekick aimed at entertaining younger viewers.

I still haven't seen the Clone Wars TV show; I know it's supposed to be quite good. Fudging those numbers to make the plot works makes sense to me, and just reinforces my point: it's not a well thought-out piece of worldbuilding.

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I agree that the "Rule of Two" was poorly thought-out crap worldbuilding, something done so that the audience could hope the Sith could be defeated... in the course of a film that ran 90 min or so. Because you just can't maintain an Evil Cult, with only two full members who want to kill each other.

As for Jar-Jar being a Sith or not, there's a massive SW nerd at work who says that after this theory started making the rounds of the fandom, the actor who played Jar-Jar said something like "At last people understand what we were trying to do". But of course, I don't care enough about the issue to go look up the quote or anything.

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Maybe he felt like he had to explain why there were only two Sith in the OT? Why wouldn't they train more? I always assumed that it wasn't common knowledge. Like, the Imperial soldiers might not be okay with following an explicit Sith Emperor. Vader was known to have "sorcerer's ways" but I don't think anybody calls him a "Sith", just that they know he's some kind of Force-weilder and/or ex-Jedi.

A cooler way to do it might've been to have the Emperor declare Anakin the new master of the Jedi - the old masters were all corrupt, obviously... - and have them trick everybody into thinking there was no "Dark Side" interference. Then they just quietly close the institutions down and horde the power for themselves.

It does make sense, to some degree, that a Sith wouldn't want a tonne of competition. It just also makes no sense that a cult doesn't want members.

I found this quote:

"I think the Darth Jar Jar theory helped a lot because I think the people who really enjoy that theory are the people who aren't fans of Jar Jar. They are the ones who really fall into the Darth Jar Jar theory as well. Like I've said before, there were some things I did that were picked up on, and it's quite fun, that idea, to think of that. And it goes along with the piece that's missing, which is the mythology piece — the thing that I think Star Wars is missing. The faith piece, the thing to believe in. That's always been layered, that's always been deep, it's never been just this surface thing. It's never been lightsaber fights, it's always been a lot more than that. When Darth Jar Jar came out, it came out from someone who's looking for more meaning."

He's not saying "It's not true", but reading "It is true" into that statement is generous.

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Well, I think the massive SW nerd at work was referring to a different quote...

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You're probably right. I think Best probably just doesn't want to kill the rumours about the only cool/acceptable thing about Jar-Jar Binks. I also don't feel like tracking down the quote.

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It's okay, it would be all kinds of wrong for two intelligent adults to be deeply invested in the true nature of Jar-Jar Binks.

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Yeah, I love movies but I have other hobbies, so I don't feel the need to do a deep-dive into this particular rabbit hole. Occam's Razor suggests it ain't the truth.

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Someone watched the Robot Chicken sketch and either took it way too seriously or thought he was being original.

https://youtu.be/k7Uc84U04Sk

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Eh, R2D2 is clearly the Sith overlord that has behind things from the get-go. Even above Palpatine. Notice how R2 is always around the action and has way more influence on the outcome of galactic level events, and has way more powers than the ordinary droid. He's probably actually where Darth Plageius' consciousness ended up when Palpatine murdered him in his sleep. They never did say exactly what method DP used to cheat death.

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Maybe it was all just a big misunderstanding when Palpatine cried "Oh, my lord" after seeing Jar Jar as a diplomat.

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😁

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