Such a bad movie


All it is is explosions and gunfire, no story, no characters, no plot. What insults me is that this actually happened and Hollywood decided to simplify the incident and turn it into a mindless action film. So disrespectful.

If all they wanted to do was show the battle then they should have made it a documentary however I'm guessing ticket/DVD sales wouldn't have been so great.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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You do get insight into the characters but you have to pay attention. Most of it comes before they go into conflict. You don't like the movie......fair enough, but you seem to go to lengths to hate the movie? Very unjust IMO!

I can understand why other posters classify you as a troll.

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I'm just going to copy what I put in the other thread, with a little editing.


The_Ultimate_Hippo

In response to your comments:


I've seen the movie several times and I don't seem to remember them mentioning any of these people




This is your response to staticxac212's listing of those who died in the battle. If you don't remember any of these people being mentioned after several viewings, you weren't paying attention.



MSG GARY IVAN GORDON: AGE 33:
KILLED WHILE DEFENDING SUPER SIX-FOUR'S CREW

SFC RANDY SHUGHART: AGE 35: KILLED WHILE DEFENDING SUPER SIX-FOUR'S CREW

When Super 62's pilot, Mike Goffena, lets command know that he has two Deltas volunteering to go in and set up a perimeter around the Durant crash site, he says both their names twice when requesting insertion, and both their names to let command know they're on the ground. They also refer to each other by name while defending the crash site. Shughart is the one making the phone call before the mission, the voice mail says "you've reached Randy and Stephanie...". Gordon says, "Randy it's your turn" regarding the chess game.

CPL JAMES "JAMIE" E. SMITH: AGE 21: KILLED AROUND CRASH SITE 1

Eversmann calls him Smith in the hangar, his first name is mentioned multiple times after he is shot, and after he dies.

SGT DOMINICK M. PILLA: AGE 21: KILLED ON STRUECKER'S CONVOY

Capt Steele calls him by his last name when he catches Pilla doing an impression of him. His last name is mentioned 3 times when he is shot in the Humvee, his full name is also spoken by McKnight.

SGT LORENZO M. RUIZ: AGE 27: KILLED AFTER BEING MORTALLY WOUNDED ON THE LOST CONVOY, DIED SHORTLY AFTER WHILE EN ROUTE TO A FIELD HOSPITAL IN GERMANY

He's called by his last name in the hangar, Capt Steele calls him by either his first or last name two or three times.

CW3 CLIFTON "ELVIS" P. WOLCOTT: AGE 36: KILLED AFTER SUPER SIX-ONE CRASHED (PILOT BTW)

He introduces himself to the soldiers on his Black Hawk, he's also referred to by name multiple times.

MSG TIMOTHY "GRIZ" LYNN MARTIN: AGE 38: KILLED AFTER BEING MORTALLY WOUNDED BY AN RPG ON THE LOST CONVOY, DIED SHORTLY AFTER WHILE EN ROUTE TO A FIELD HOSPITAL IN GERMANY

He's called Griz in the hangar while drawing.


You want to criticize Ridley Scott for not giving you enough information about the characters, but you haven't even paid attention to their names.



Tell me this, the names that they listed at the end, do you know a single thing about any of those people from the film?



You asked this of someone else, but I'll answer. I know they fought bravely and died. That's all I need to know to care about them.


You must have some interest in the battle or you wouldn't have watched the movie, right? There are quite a few books about the battle and how it affected those involved including "Black Hawk Down" by Mark Bowden, "In the Company of Heroes" by Mike Durant, "Get it On! What it means to lead the way" by Keni Thomas, "Streets of Mogadishu" by Danny McKnight, "The Road to Unafraid" by Jeff Streucker, and "The Battle of Mogadishu: First hand accounts from the men of Task Force Ranger" by Matt Eversmann.

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None of those people were even close to being properly fleshed out. When you have to look up their stats and who they were its a sign that the movie can't stand on its own.

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"Yeah, why does a movie called Black Hawk Down about a historic military firefight have so much gunfire and explosions. I was hoping for a 4 hour drama where we meet every one of the over 100 men and don't see any gunfire."

What's disrespectful and insulting is that you casually refer to it as just an incident.

I think you're the opposite of paranoid, I think you walk around with the delusion people like you.

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Schindler’s list was about 1100 people surviving then holocaust. We actually got to learn a little bit about them and that was a much better film than Black Hawk Down and to shut down your argument even further it is considered to be very historically accurate and swept the Oscars that year.

If they wanted BHD to have a plot it could have had a plot.

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The explosions, gunfire, lack of story, characterization and plot are the reasons I stayed away from this movie. Pointless, you know?

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There was a terrific true story, the acting was excellent

You missed a great one Washington!

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It was neither mindless nor disrespectful Hippo

This film followed the real narrative of a special forces mission gone very wrong

I've seen it at least 3 times and it's a fabulous war movie and drama

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It was mindless, it didn't bother telling a story. All it is is a third act and when the audience doesn't have any kind of idea who these people we are supposed to root for are it comes across as incredibly boring. BHD skips right to the spectacle but when there's no buildup it's meaningless. Total let down and I expected more out of Scott.

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I could not disagree more
Every man 'down' felt like a real loss
It was very harrowing and hard to take

Agree to disagree I guess

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Not really, everyone who died was built up to be a glorified extra at best. It's called telling a story, you have to have buildup to the big spectacle, BHD didn't do that, it just skipped right to the spectacle and therefore it was boring.

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"Every man 'down' felt like a real loss
It was very harrowing and hard to take"
True.

This is one of my favourite movies. It might be the best depiction on film of how chaotic war is. Fantastic movie, I never get tired of it.

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Agreed...scary as hell!

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Not really, every death felt like a storm trooper death, again the people who died were given the character development of a glorified extra. It was not a good depiction of war, it was all style and no substance.

I really don't know what people see in this, BHD seems to think it's deep but it isn't.

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It followed the book pretty well. If anything it left a few things out for political correctness sake. Do you know other films that depict modern warfare more realistically?

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I'm not arguing about the realistic portrayal of war, I'm arguing about the story (or lack of) that it told.

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I agree with you. The book wasn’t heavy on personal back stories either. If I remember correctly it did go on past the ground combat into the story of the release of Michael Durant months later though.

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Exactly, this could have been really good but I feel like it's a 3 act story where the 1st act is just brushed over and the 2nd act is missing all together.

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Also yes:

- Platoon
- Saving Private Ryan
- Apocalypse Now
- The Deer Hunter

BHD is in the same league as Dunkirk, it's just an action sequence and no story which is pretty shallow.

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