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Questions about Dr Strange's spell


When he erased Peter Parker from everyone's memory, what happened to all the records of his existence?
Like his school records, personal identification, pictures on social media. Is he still on MJ and Ned's Instagram? What about the footage of Beck outing him, or the tons and tons of media coverage around him? Did Dr Strange actually wipe out all the evidence? If all that stuff doesn't exist any more, how did Peter get a lease on an apartment without furnishing any identification?

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Who's to say?

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Hopefully movie-nerds like us who post on this forum.

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Good question. I was also wondering this while seeing the movie

The answer is that they didn't give an answer lol. We'll probably have to wait for the sequel to get some of those details

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Dude - it's fucking magic - are you for real?

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The movie should still make sense within the rules of its own universe. That's something Marvel has always tried to do.
Like when Thanos snapped everyone out of existence for 5 years, and the following movies contextualized that into their narratives. Like underage kids who got snapped, passing themselves off as adults.
Or when they showed the Infinity Gauntlet in Asgaard, that was later proven to be a replica.

"It's magic" is just lazy and hand-waving away all the plotholes. It's why the DC movies are never successful.

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OK - since you are down with the science of marvel, you'll have to imagine that Dr. Strange used a super powerful spell that equates to the power of the infinity gauntlet.

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They're all there, just no one remembers him or thinks of him as a stranger and that Spider-Man still is a masked vigilante to everyone. As for the friends list and such, could be something to get them back together in the next movie. Personally they're better off since now they get to go to MIT. They may bring the two back since they bring the comedy although I prefer they don't.

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It's a plot hole.

It's like the Wonder Woman 1984 wishing bullshit all over again. It's common in superhero movies, everything goes to shit, then later somehow everything is somewhat normal again :/

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How is it a plothole? They explicitly tell you what the spell will do. Peter Parker is erased. Spider-Man is still remembered.

How does Peter get an apartment? You really think there aren't buildings, especially in New York, who aren't too particular about who they rent too?

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Yeah, the MEMORY of Peter Parker is erased. Not Peter Parker, or all those records of him being spider-man and all that was recorded on cellphones or TV shows, or all that shit from earlier. Plot hole.

"How does Peter get an apartment?" I... never raised this issue? Because it's not :/

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If you go with what happened in the comics, after Dr. Strange cast a spell that made everyone who knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man forget they knew it, they were not only unable to remember, but inflicted with a sort of blindness to evidence. I believe at one point Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four, all of whom previously knew his secret identity, encountered a statue that had been erected somewhere-- maybe in the Negative Zone?-- which depicted Spider-Man without a mask standing with the Fantastic Four. When they looked at the statue, they couldn't see its face. I think later his mask came off, and his face appeared blank to everyone. It wasn't until he willingly chose to reveal to someone that he was Spider-Man that the spell was broken. No one who previously knew suddenly remembered, but if they saw him without his mask, or otherwise learned his identity, they would be aware of it.

I suppose the MCU version of the spell is similar. The knowledge that Peter exists is gone from everyone's mind, but all the evidence in computer databases, paperwork, school records, and such still exists. It's just that no one really remembers him or knows who he is. They might look in a yearbook and be sort of hypnotized not to notice his picture, and so forth.

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Thats great and all... but it's still a plot hole in the movie, because thats never explained there.

And what you wrote proves how simple it would be to do so, yet they chose not to (or forgot). Which is bad writing either way, IMO. Still, its nice knowing what happened in the comics, so thanks for that. But my guess would be that 99% of the people who saw the movie never read those :/

comics ≠ movie.

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Something not being spelled out isn't a plot hole. A plot hole is an instance where the plot fails to make sense due to an oversight or error. The Sopranos didn't end on a plot hole because we were never told if Tony lived or died.

The point to the ending is that Peter is being forced to start over, alone, and faces uncertainty in all aspects of his life. We don't need to know the precise particulars of the spell that caused this, we need only accept that it happened in much the same way that we accept that falling into a vat of electric eels can give one the power to command electricity.

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See, i disagree in this case. For instance, they felt the need to explain why Strange couldn't use the time stone anymore, yet they didn't HAVE to. I can accept that, as you said, "falling into a vat of electric eels can give one the power to command electricity" because thats internally plausible in superhero canon.

This, on the other hand, is different. It's like saying that WW 1984 is well written because "dude, don't bother with the world falling apart, just ignore it and accept that everything is normal again"... that is simply lazy and bad.

A creative decision that allows interpretation from the audience because it isn't spelled out is one thing. Not adressing something that could easily be regarded as an oversight - or plot hole - is quite another. There is only so much suspension of disbelief i can allow, IMO.

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Looked like a shady apartment - maybe they didn't ask much by way of ID

We don't know how long it's been, either. Maybe he's had time to set up some phony ID papers

His pre-spell records appear to have been erased, since he's shown with a GED manual (so there must be no high school records for him)

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Exactly my thought process. I was wondering the same thing, and rolling my eyes, then I saw the GED manual. Apparently the spell erased all of his previous history; so there's no human alive who remembers him, and no record of any of the things he accomplished/took part in (debate club, high school, Avengers experiences, meeting Happy (or any of the other people in his life), etc, etc.

When you think about it, that's almost Unbearably sad. Puts a whole different spin on the end of the movie. And his reaction(s). And the expression on his face, when he went swinging across the city at the end.

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We'll have to wait a few years to find out, but since MJ was still injured, I figured everyone knows about Spider-Man, and everything that happened still happened (Civil War through Endgame and Far From Home).

It's just that no one knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker any longer. Or rather, no one even knows Peter Parker as a person.

It's sad to the point of being cruel and sadistic to Holland's Peter Parker, but I've read a number of excited fan posts who like him isolated and under-equipped because those are Spider-Man's defining traits.

I.e., they're describing the entire trilogy as Spider-Man's origin story.

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IMO, it's stupid because that basically mean whatever we watched before this movie doesn't matter. Kind of like that horror movie you're watching only to turn out to be a dream or when they killed the little girl in Aliens 3.

IYAM, sounds like really laaaaaazy writing to me. Ooh, let's start off brand new without reboot. Blah. I'm done. Bring on the new wimpy-looking Batman.

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