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The Chimp subplot was pretentious inclusion.....


....added just to fill the runtime, 'cause it sounded cool & to establish some style over substance artistry.

It had nothing to do with the main plot. All this comments from some simpletons on this board like 'it paralleled the creature' or 'gave a backstory to Jupe' are nonsense.

The whole 'All animals can't be tamed and their real monster are always hidden somewhere in them' idea has nothing to with the creature. The Creature was hostile right from the beginning. Nobody tried to tame it!!!!!

And Jupe wasn't that of an important character for whom a backstory was required. Nevertheless, it didn't solve purpose. If Jupe went over-confident by thinking that he could face the creature and the creature would not kill him (just like how the chimp tried to befriend him), he was all logically wrong. The Creature was an Alien!!! How stupid Jupe would be to compare characteristics of an Earth animal to an Alien!

Over-analyzing minds on this board should start agreeing that it was just a pretentious inclusion and a logical fail on part of Jordan Peele.

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while i agree it definetly could've been implemented better in the film, your argument seems to hint that you don't like critical thinking in filmmaking. it's not "over-analyzing", as you say. it's literally understanding the general themes of the film.

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The film has themes, but poorly presented.
OP has a point, when a writer/director fails to convey a clear message through film, that means he is not good at his job, plain and simple. Trying to understand what the message is in this case is indeed over-analyzing some half baked script.

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Agreed ... Jupe said himself when Jean Jacket came down to eat him and his audience, he was "chosen"

He survived Gordy's rampage and thought it meant he was destined for something great, when he was really just a kid who fortunately didn't make direct eye contact with a rampaging beast

Jupe's backstory explains why he'd be stupid enough to believe he's a "special" envoy to what he thinks is a spaceship filled with friendly aliens who really like horses. In fact, he's doing exactly the opposite of what saved him as a kid: making eye contact with a dumb, hostile animal.

Peele himself said that Gordy was in the story to highlight how stupidly we treat animals, assuming that they'll behave like us when they might actually be frustrated and ready to snap

OJ understood from the start that he was dealing with an animal, specifically a territorial predator, and acted accordingly. When Jean Jacket hovered above his truck, roaring, OJ just said, "nope," and waited it out with the patience of a long-time animal wrangler.

Variety says it better than I can:

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/nope-chimp-attack-meaning-1235322956/

TLDR:

Jupe’s folly was looking at his survival from the “Gordy’s Home” massacre optimistically. When the alien seemingly presented itself as another showbiz opportunity, he mistook the first six months of feeding horses to Jean Jacket as a trainer/animal relationship — similar to the sitcom, but forgetting the consequences. Unfortunately, as OJ alluded to several times, predators can’t be tamed, so when Jean Jacket went rogue on Jupe, it was history repeating itself, and Jupe’s hubris was his downfall.


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Nobody tried to tame Jean Jacket!!! That's what I am trying to say!

A direct comparison of the Chimp & Jean Jacket can't be made. Chimp was the animal who they tried to tame, it went nuts and turned violent.

Jean Jacket was an Alien and it was hostile & violent right from the beginning!
Who tried to tame Jean Jacket ??? Tell me who?? No one.

The movie would have made sense if some Alien had arrived with no actual hostile intention, humans thought to pet it, train it and tame it and then it went nuts and starts to kill people. And then, Jupe who thought he was special to such creatures, thought of befriending it. THAT would have made sense!!

And if you're sayin' that Jupe was the one who tried to tame the Alien, then he is already repeating the same mistake made by the people who tried to tame the chimp! He already knew the consequences.

BTW, Jupe must've been a true psycho to think that he won't be attacked but the audience will be and risked the lives of all those innocent spectators/bystanders to prove his specialty. A little sense of his psychotic behavior should have been established early in the movie to relate this act. Lame screenwriting indeed! - Anyway this is not the main point. The point is that chimp backstory had no sensible relation to the plot of the movie.

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He survived Gordy's rampage and thought it meant he was destined for something great, when he was really just a kid who fortunately didn't make direct eye contact with a rampaging beast


WHAT ???

Watch the movie again. Jupe very much made eye contact with the Chimp. Very much throughout, till the Chimp offered his fist.

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READ CAREFULLY before you post.

Jupe was looking at Gordy through the tablecloth. That is NOT direct eye contact.

Similarly, OJ protected Lucky by putting a fly-mask on him. Like Jupe’s tablecloth, it hides Lucky’s eyes from Jean Jacket, while still permitting Lucky to see. JUST LIKE JUPE’S TABLECLOTH. (And fly masks are a real thing that protect horses’ eyes from flies AND prevent horses from eyeballing each other and getting mad).

The eye-contact thing is very much real with primates, in particular:

https://art-sheep.com/gorilla-glasses-were-designed-to-prevent-eye-contact-with-easily-offended-gorillas/

ALSO, Gordy’s rage had run its course. He tore off his costume, returning to his natural form, and calmed down. Only then did he notice Jupe and offered the fist-bump.

The CLEAR parallel here is how OJ handled Jean Jacket when it was floating over his truck and roaring. Instead of screaming and running, OJ sat back in his truck and waited for Jean Jacket to calm down.

I love that scene in particular. Initially, it plays against horror/alien movie tropes in favor of the Richard Pryor’s routine (black people just leave when a house says “GET OUT”) that Peele says inspired this film and “Get Out.” But as we watch OJ in the truck, we (or at least I) recognized the calm demeanor of an animal handler or parent of a toddler, waiting out a tantrum

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Watch the movie CAREFULLY again before you post anything.

The Chimp and Jupe had direct eye contact. Table cloth was hanging; but wasn't blocking both of their eyes. They clearly made eye to eye contact before they both fist-bumped.





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Okay, agree to disagree here -- the tablecloth WAS between them when Gordy got close enough to offer a fist bump

It was NOT between them during much of Gordy's approach towards Jupe

My contention is that June's fate was still unclear until Gordy got close enough for the tablecloth to block their direct eye contact

Your contention is that eye-contact BEFORE that point should've been enough to trigger Gordy

I don't see any resolution to this disagreement, though I can see what you're referring to

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added just to fill the runtime - 100% correct
Nevertheless, it didn't solve purpose. - again, correct
a pretentious inclusion and a logical fail on part of Jordan Peele - spot on.

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Because of the upright or floating shoe, I imagined the creature was involved somehow with the Gordy fiasco.

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And Jupe wasn't that of an important character for whom a backstory was required. Nevertheless, it didn't solve purpose. If Jupe went over-confident by thinking that he could face the creature and the creature would not kill him (just like how the chimp tried to befriend him), he was all logically wrong. The Creature was an Alien!!! How stupid Jupe would be to compare characteristics of an Earth animal to an Alien!

Jupe didn't know it was a creature. He thought it was a UFO, containing aliens.

Besides, Jupe didn't compare characteristics of earth animals with the creature. OJ did (he's the one who said it was territorial), and if anything, Jupe's lack of fear suggests he did not ascribe any earth animal characteristics, since he was trying to befriend it. The silly notion that "they come in peace".

Besides 2), we don't know that the creature is an alien. The only suggestion in that direction was a casual remark from one of the protagonists, but what would they know?

Besides 3), even if it was indeed an alien, why would that make a difference? The behavioural characteristics of animals have evolved the way they have not because this is earth, but because competition is about winning. As such, there are certain characteristics which are going to be universal - quite literally.

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Good point about Jean Jacket potentially not even being alien.

The graboids in the “Tremors” franchise turn out to be ancient terrestrial life forms

Similarly, Jean Jacket’s expanded appearance is based partly on anime but also partly on early notions of angels

Peele hasn’t directly said as much (as far as I’ve read), but I think there’s a strong implication that Jean Jacket itself or creatures like it have been here for a loooong time, perhaps even native to earth, and have become the basis for myths about aliens, flying saucers and angels.

That said, I did read that Jean Jacket’s big square mouth/proboscis was made square specifically to seem unearthly and unnatural, since perfect squares so rarely occur in nature.

Maybe Peele will say more now that the film’s secrets are being widely discussed. Clearly, though, his primary themes deal with sensationalism and improperly taking animals for granted.

So yes, however furious it makes the OP, the Jupe and Gordy backstory WAS necessary.

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I don't think Jupe's backstory was any more important than Angel's or Holst's backstories, and they didn't get one.

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Agreed. It wasn't (contrary to what I thought at the beginning of the movie). It wasn't even necessary. It was just a big let down that we could have done without.

If Jordan Peele absolutely wanted to keep that side story, he should have dosed it better, I think. He made it appear as if it was very important for the development of the movie , while it really wasn't.

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"How stupid Jupe would be to compare characteristics of an Earth animal to an Alien!"

And yet, that's exactly what OJ did and lead to the creature's doom.

Plus, based on the movie, how do we know it's alien? It might be parent with jellyfish for all we know. Scientists playing god or a highly evolved form of jellyfish from the future that got sent back in time by mistake or a prehistoric giant jellyfish/starfish hybrid exposed to world war II radiations, or a cousin to Godzilla even. Anyways.... all this to say that the movie does not answer weather it's from Earth or elsewhere.

As for the rest, I do agree with you. Given that the movie STARTED with this shock scene, I was waiting for the Gordy subplot to come full circle with the main plot by the end of the movie. I was disappointed that it was nothing more than a back story to an unimportant character.

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"It had nothing to do with the main plot."

Just admit you didn't get it instead of insulting the filmmaker

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