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Leonardo DiCaprio = Dr. Fauci


This movie completely misses the point why people don't like and trust Fauci. Adam McKay is an idiot.

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Huh?

I don't see the connection. There are no common elements between Leo and Fauci, at least I don't see any.

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Well you are stupid then

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Ok, if I'm stupid then enlighten me (in my opinion you are the idiot one).

Leo is a nobody, Fauci is the head of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Chief Medical Advisor to the President.

If Fauci says something the media and the government jump to support his ideas, not to question then. Leos facts are at best ignored or even questioned and denied.

Leo has no control over anything, Fauci has a lot of control over governmental health decisions.

Does Fauci have a relationship with a CNN blonde?

Have you ever heard people saying about Fauci "that handsome/sexy nerd"?? Or even "fsck me Fauci"?

Fauci is old while Leo is middle aged.

And more importantly: Leo’s character doesn’t lie and doesn’t change his stance once every month …

No, there is literally NO connection between Leo's character and Fauci's. You're a moron.

And no, people don't like and trust Fauci for totally different reasons, you are an idiot, not McKay (ain't it funny when some stupid bozo from the internet calls a Oscar winner "idiot"?). Leo is NOT Fauci.

And it's funny that people actually love Leo's character.

And it's funnier that you couldn't produce one single argument why Leo is supposed to be Fauci ...

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Have you ever heard people saying about Fauci "that handsome/sexy nerd"??

https://mashable.com/article/dr-anthony-fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-crush

https://twitter.com/jukeboxfail/status/1474483179411189771

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LOL, thanks for the laugh ...

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You are asking too much from lefties. They cant think.

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Don’t forget to mention the comet is just a stand in for global warming.

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"You are stupid then" = I just talked out of my ass and you didn't buy it.

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And just like that, the Pimp is irrelevant.

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The connection is they were both seduced by fame.
Fauci's every move is what will get him in the news cycle. He has been perfecting this since his TV days early in the AIDS epidemic. You know back when he said you can get AIDS from droplets in the air and toilets seats. Same MO then - a claim with no scientific basis, claim otherwise and change his story when real science comes along, tho his new story may not match the science.

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Well, with that I might agree, with the exception that DiCaprio tried to be honest and still follow the science as much as he could.

Unreliable science at some moment (but he didn't fully realize that, the noise around him stopped from that) and he was indeed attracted by fame and personal gain on several levels but when the science proved unreliable he chose to side with valid science.

And DiCaprio didn't try to be the focus of the media, he just went along for a while, mainly because he was a naive, weak individual without a spine for most of the movie. Fauci is far from being naive or weak.

So even on that point I don't really see the connection. Plus: the movie was in the making way before the pandemic and the rise of Fauci so the intention was clearly not there.

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I concede any similarity is coincidental. Being seduced by fame and doing whatever it takes to keep fame is not unique to Fauci.

I remember a quote I read once by a rock musician: One you get famous you will work harder to remain famous than you did to get there.

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Fauci is clearly a politician with a fancy degree, I don't trust a word out of his mouth. If he was telling the truth it must be because it was convenient or beneficial to him, or at least made him look good in the public eye. He could not be where he is now otherwise.

Leo in the movie was seduced by fame. But Fauci we don't know, he could be like that from the beginning. Fauci does not look like someone would risk himself to inform the public, like what Leo in the movie was in the beginning.

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well, technically you could get AIDS from droplets and toilet seats. If said droplets are of the infected persons body fluids and you get them into your body fluids (for example open wound) there is a chance of infection.

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even Fauci doesn't make that claim anymore

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Thats because Fauci only makes claims that get him in front of TV cameras.

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we do agree on that

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People (conservatives, really) don't trust Faucci because he's under attack 24/7 by Republicans and right wing media.

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Nobody trusts the keebler douche because he's a proven lier..

You can sit there with your little grease covered fingers jammed into your ears all you want but it doesn't change that..

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Exactly! 99% of the people who attack Fauci and claim he lies can't articulate why they think that. They just know that Trump attacked him, so they do the same.

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Fauci was proven to lie. Plus he is changing his stance every few weeks on most problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsFvnpcFGA4

The new guidelines of 5 days are a pure political decision. As many others.

Another thing: Fauci is literally in power and he has the power to decide what are the steps.

And he has the power and the cover-up of the media to cover any fuck up they are/were doing, FOR the money.

Like the lab experiments on Wuhan that they the didn't fund, oh there was a leak - ok we funded something but was not corona, oh another leak - ok we funded corona but was not for humans, shit another leak - ok was for interfacing it with human hosts but was not a gain of function research ... a second, let me change the definition of gain of function so it matches my bullshit.

I don't give a fuck if you call it "gain of function" or not, the truth is documented: funded, with tax payers money, a research on how to adapt corona viruses to humans - in Wuhan. And he denied at some point all of that.

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What's your complaint with the 5 day quarantine decision? That it differs with what was recommended before, based on better understanding of the disease and risks? What is the lie that Fauci told?

The studies at Wuhan that were funded by NIH did not involve enhancing the virulence of any form of the COVID-19 virus. You'll have to demonstrate some level of understanding of molecular biology before I discuss this further since I don't want to waste my time.

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Fauci took an economical and political decision to reduce the quarantine to 5 days, not based on science.

He even said so.

Another issue in which he lied: saying that masks don't work, don't wear masks. And then few months later "oops, masks work, we mandate you wear masks". I don't care if he had reasons to tell that lie (it was an obvious lie, I was just "oh, fuck you Fauci" and got a bunch of them") it is still a lie.

Let me stress it again: lowers the quarantine time to 5 days based on economic reasons and rejects natural immunity - which have been proven to work and to be last longing. This is not science.

Plus that wasn't the lie, the lie was about NIH not founding the research at Wuhan ... and did I say something about enhancing the virulence??? Before talking about molecular biology you would have to demonstrate some level of understanding of the English language.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

"NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”"

But:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan

"The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold."

"That report described a “limited experiment,” as the NIH letter phrased it, in which laboratory mice infected with an altered virus became “sicker than those infected with” a naturally occurring one."

Another article.

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-untruthful-congress-wuhan-lab-research-documents-show-gain-function-1627351

Btw, to show how unethical he is, a quote: “You don’t want to go to Hoboken, New Jersey or to Fairfax, Virginia to be studying the bat-human interface that may lead to an outbreak, so you go to China,”

So he is fully aware of the risks of such a research so we don't to be done in USA but it's ok to be done in China ...

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For at least 14 months (I know that because I researched it when my father had covid) the science has said that by the time the average covid patient's symptoms were improving, they were no longer infective. It was out ofan abundance of caution and the lack of vaccine that longer quarantine periods were recommended.
I doubt he ever said masks don't work. The initial recommendation was that the public shops not wear surgical masks because they were a critically needed supply for health care workers and because , at the time, community infections were low.

Facts change, situations change, the virus changes.

There is science and there is policy which should take science and practicality into account.

The Wuhan studies referenced in those articles were not understood by the writers of those articles. The genetic manipulations were made to the mice, adding the human ace2 protein to them to see if the virus could infect them. Nothing was done to make the virus more infective to anything other than a genetically altered mouse.

Next

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What you're saying is 100% false. the documents detail on how the viruses have been combined and modified in that research. Told you that you don't understand English, neither do you understand the articles.

Quote again: "That report described a “limited experiment,” as the NIH letter phrased it, in which laboratory mice infected with an altered virus became “sicker than those infected with” a naturally occurring one."

Even Fauci admitted that they are still infectious after 5 days (less indeed, or so he says) in his videos and that the main reason is the economy.

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Well, first of all you said nothing about natural immunity which is rejected by the CDC/Fauci and the mandate is to vaccinate everyone. While in Europe natural immunity is accepted on their travel documents and they don't require vaccinations for recovered patients. I know, USA has a different, special "science" ...

Ok, let me ask you something that is logical.

We know that the covid vaccines don't stop transmission, only reduce, a lot, the risk of hospitalization and death. The data is clear.
We know that most, close to all, hospitalizations and deaths have had 1+ comorbidities, mainly related to age and overweight/obesity. The data is clear.

Then why the mandate to vaccinate everyone, at risk or not, even worse: people that have had corona and have natural immunity which is at least comparable with the vaccine induced one and long lasting, as per several studies, and are otherwise healthy and with close to zero risk? What's the logic, or the science, in that???

If vaccines don't stop transmission then we shouldn't vaccinate everyone regardless of health situation and risk. And this is clear. But Fauci, CDC and the US government insists on it, sorry - MANDATES IT!!!!

An opinion from a doctor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igMiDqB0wZ4

Studies:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/

"92.8% of the COVID-19 deaths were associated with a pre-existing comorbidity."

https://acdis.org/articles/news-94-patients-who-died-covid-19-had-complicating-conditions-data-confusion-surrounding
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5

And still CDC and Fauci's focus is not on a healthy lifestyle but vaccinating everyone ...
Which is ironic given a Fauci interview prior to the pandemic in which he stresses exactly that and rightfully so ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaYDxJfatYg&t=1036s

Another aspect about the mandates: if you work for a company with more than 100 people you have to vaccinate or test. Even if you work 100% remotely and you have 0 contact with your co-workers. Another perfect example of "logic" or "science". Yeah, corona will infect everyone in that zoom meeting, beware ...

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The studies did not meet the definition of GOF set forth by NIH.

As for changing policies, you act as if the situation is the same now as always and ignore the number of vaccinated people and the lower mortality and morbidity of omicron.

And yes, comorbities play a role in covid deaths but there are an awful lot of people with pre-existing conditions, so I don't know why you are bringing that up.

Anyway, these is a movie discussion site. So, have fun.

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Aha, you backpedal on your words, nice.

No, I agree with changing the policies when they make sense and are scientifically driven, when you make those policies out of the thin air and are politically driven I call that hypocrisy or even lying.

There are a lot of people with comorbidities but not all. Making mandates for all is not scientifically driven.

As an analogy: there are an awful lot of people in prisons so let's put everyone in prisons. I know it's exaggerated but that's the point.

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We don't want people with comorbidities to get sick and vaccinated lower viral loads and are less likely to infect others if they become infected. Plus, young healthy people can also get seriously ill, it's not only old, sick people.

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"We don't want people with comorbidities to get sick" so the focus should be on vaccinating those.

"vaccinated lower viral loads and are less likely to infect others if they become infected." still they can infect others. Same policies should be for them as well since they can infect others.

About the viral load and delta:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4

"Plus, young healthy people can also get seriously ill, it's not only old, sick people." This is a non-argument, vaccinated people can get seriously ill as well, is not just unvaccinated.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against vaccines, I'm against blanket policies that lack nuance and don't follow the science. At this point at least for some parts of the population vaccines should be optional and not mandated. Like young people that have natural immunity.

As an example although Omicron is a lot less severe they still push for extra vaccinations for everyone.

For me is clear that this is not about science and health but about money. 3-4 doses, 20-30$ each forced on the entire population means tens of billions in revenues for the big pharma. Just compare pfizer's revenue and profits in the last 2 years with what they made prior to the epidemic. Having 50 millions with natural immunity that would not be required to vaccinate would lead to billions in revenue. And that's why Europe accept natural immunity as valid and USA doesn't.

Plus: the way the vaccines are distributed (for profit, the majority of the vaccines are sent to rich countries) favors the apparition of new variants: Delta, from India when vaccination was at ~7%, Omicron from South Africa where vaccination is low as well.

A proper policy that would have been targeted at the health benefits and stopping the epidemic would had been targeted at vaccinating as many as possible with 1-2 doses instead of over-vaccinating the rich countries than can pay for the vaccines.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8

Heh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLbJ0H8zdc

Maybe it's a good idea to get Omicron, hahaha (specially since it's way less dangerous)

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asom said - "Fauci was proven to lie. Plus he is changing his stance every few weeks on most problems."
Sad that you don't understand the simple concept that what you consider Fauci "lying" is simply the scientific process of adjusting assessments and recommendations based on changing real-world/real-time conditions.

Sure, it's basic scientific immunology, but it's not rocket science.

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Sad that you don't understand plain English.

Fauci was proven to lie. Period. End of idea.

"Plus he is changing his stance every few weeks on most problems." different idea, stressed by the "Plus" as well.

The scientific process and changing recommendations real time according to new findings is one thing.

Fauci literally advised people to not wear masks. Later he come back with the excuse that "masks should have been prioritized for health workers" and while I see his point it's still a big lie, a lie is a lie even if the reason for which you lied might be valid.

Another lie is about the research made in Wuhan.

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-untruthful-congress-wuhan-lab-research-documents-show-gain-function-1627351

"Ebright said these sections of the documents show that NIH grants supported the construction of mutant SARS-related coronaviruses that involved blending different types together. The result was a lab-generated virus that could infect human cells, he said, adding that at least three of the lab-generated viruses "exhibited >10x to >100x higher viral loads in humanized mice."

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

"Scientists working under a 2014 NIH grant to the EcoHealth Alliance to study bat coronaviruses combined the genetic material from a “parent” coronavirus known as WIV1 with other viruses. They twice submitted summaries of their work that showed that, when in the lungs of genetically engineered mice, three altered bat coronaviruses at times reproduced far more quickly than the original virus on which they were based. The altered viruses were also somewhat more pathogenic, with one causing the mice to lose significant weight. The researchers reported, “These results demonstrate varying pathogenicity of SARSr-CoVs with different spike proteins in humanized mice."

However you want to define "gain-of function" the facts are simple: the grant was used to alter corona viruses to study human impact.

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Sad that you don't understand that your convenient interpretations don't equate to "lies". Period indeed.

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Video with Fauci textually saying "You should NOT WEAR A MASK, there's NO REASON be walking around wearing a mask".

https://twitter.com/i/status/1476505554365333506

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When did he say that?

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At the very start of the video. It's very easy to miss. And then goes to explain why masks don't really work.

Or do you mean like when in a time frame? I don't know but I think it was around March 2020.

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I meant the latter. So this is now January 2022, not March 2020, when practically nothing was known about this virus and how it is transmitted.

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Yeah, it's not about the virus, it's about general information about the masks.

What he said is valid in all instances in which the virus is transmitted mainly through droplets... it is as valid for corona as it is for other viruses. Don't get cocky.

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I guess you're right, he's just changing what he says to fuck with Morris like you. Bye.

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You do not understand how research is done do you? that as they gain more information recommendations change?

how this can confuse anyone is amazing.

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Oh, I know how research is done.

Not by throwing everything we know about immunity and then pretend that we rediscover it. Not by throwing the previous science and enforce bullshit and then pretend like "wow, it's like that, wow, how could we know???" For months/years they talked only about antibodies like they forgot the role of T and B cells in the immunity. Suddenly few months ago they started to remember how actually immunity works. Is that science or magic??? Oh, T cells actually are memory cells and B cells will start produce antibodies against the pathogen again? Oh, WOW, a miracle, WE NEVER KNEW THAT!!!!

SARS-Cov-2 is on the planet since more than a decade ago. We knew masks work, we knew natural immunity works and it's last longing.
But we had to pretend that all we knew was invalid so we can have bullshit policies.

And BTW, since WHEN the US science is different than global science? DO YOU understand how science work? The virus acts the same in US and in Europe.

But in Europe natural immunity has been accepted and it's on their vaccination certificates. In Israel natural immunity is accepted and studied for months if not a year.

But the science in US is different, no natural immunity accepted, not even now when the CDC published a study that says that nat immunity is superior to vaccines and still is not accepted/covered in the policies. And again, that's against the science that says that natural immunity works.

And btw, if you know that much about science you should be worried by the corners cut by Pfizer and Moderna and FDA when approving the vaccines. But I guess you don't ...

And another btw: they fire unvaccinated nurses (even recovered ones, with immunity) that are not sick but ask vaccinated nurses that ARE sick to come to work. So much science, impeccable logic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2022/01/07/biden-vaccine-mandate-nurses/9093551002/?gnt-cfr=1

https://www.businessinsider.com/nurses-with-covid-say-they-are-being-told-to-work-2022-1

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/-slap-face-nurses-told-use-vacation-sick-days-stay-home-test-positive-rcna12140

GTFO with your "science".

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By natural immunity do you mean people are just naturally imune to Sars-CoV-2 (which is not true for a novel virus) or do you mean people who had the virus and lived has now developed an immunity that is on par or stronger than the vaccine? Because the latter is certainly true, but i wouldnt call it "natural" immunity. Its created immunity from your fight with the virus.

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The thing about Wuhan, from what we saw, there was a lot of breech of protocol with how the bats were handle. To the point where some scientists handled live speciments with their bare hands and after the experiments were done would sell their meat. This is the "you will never work in the industry" level of stupid shit. Now in all likelihood the virus was natural, it just got out because of the incompetence of the people at the lab.

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people dont trust him firstly and foremost cuz he looks like a greasy rat bastard. just look at his eyes and u see a dirty scumbag

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Grow up.

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why so i can be a boring drone like you? i age backwards, the little kid in me wants to come out and the more i let him out the happier i am

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You are proving my point.

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not only does he look like a greasy new york rat he sounds to like one too. u have to have no intuition to trust that rat bastard

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I always wondered, do you use bleach to keep your hood so white?

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not trusting that sneaky weasel make u a racist now 🤣😂🤣😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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No. Being a racist makes you a racist.

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In the movie, DiCaprio was absolutely right, and no one cared until it was too late. Fauci was always aware of the pandemic in the same way.

That people didn’t like, or believe, Fauci is on them. You don’t have to like him, but he wasn’t wrong - the pandemic happened whether you liked him or not. He didn’t underplay it like Trump did. This really should have never been a political thing.

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Agreed.
Trumps idiocy made it political

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It is not idiocy, it is about politics and money. Trump was backed by conservatives, which represent farming & traditional industries. they need to ignore the pandemic or their businesses would have to stop.

Fauci in all likelihood was in the pockets of pharmaceutical industries. His position basically guaranteed that. I think that was why he had a different agenda.

Democrats are funded by telecommunications and high tech industries such as social media, which actually benefit from the pandemic.

The things we hear about the pandemic are really just mixed corporate sponsored messages. That is what news is really all about.

We need to listen to all the fragmented facts and hopefully we get enough pieces to have an informed understanding.

Trump's idiocy was about not using facts at all, but simple words and re-directions to manipulate the ignorant masses, so you can't get much facts from him.

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Let's not forget one simple thing:

Fauci has the power to drive things, if Fauci says "jump" the government jumps. If Fauci says "no masks recommended" then no masks are recommended. If Fauci says "masks mandate" guess what ... If Fauci says "5 days of quarantine instead of 10" ... guess what happens. And media is pushing his narrative as well.

DiCaprio was impotent, he had no power over things. Media was downplaying and mocking his warning all the time.

Fauci is closer to the business guy: he decided what will happen and he saw the opportunity to make shitloads of money and went with that. You can take a look at the big pharma revenues and stocks in the last 2 years to see the connection.

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Tell that to the 800,000+ dead Americans that have died from Covid in the last couple years.

If we lead the world in Covid deaths, I’m willing to bet it’s mostly because of people like you.

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What does that have to do with the parallel Fauci - DiCaprio???

"If we lead the world in Covid deaths, I’m willing to bet it’s mostly because of people like you."

Or because the fact that the Americans are dumb enough to follow the government recommendations and are not capable to think and act in their best interest. You know, LIKE IN THIS MOVIE!!!!

95% of the deaths are accompanied by comorbidities, most of them being associated with obesity, overweight, hypertension, diabetes, etc.

What country leads in obesity rate in the OECD? Yeah, you guessed right: USA.

"The U.S. adult obesity rate stands at 42.4 percent, the first time the national rate has passed the 40 percent mark, and further evidence of the country's obesity crisis. The national adult obesity rate has increased by 26 percent since 2008."

"71.6% of adults aged 20 and over are overweight, including obesity."

These are the real reasons the USA leads in covid death cases. And the increase in obesity rate is a direct result of a governmental recommendation and what types of food they chose to subsidize.

https://opencommons.uconn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1482&context=srhonors_theses
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.111.037929

"the US low-fat guidelines made in 1977 caused an overhaul of both the food industry and the average American’s perception of a healthy diet, eventually contributing to an overall decline in health, specifically an increased national obesity rate and incidence of related diseases, rather than the anticipated opposite result."

Sorry that you cannot add 1 + 1 and see the objective reality, you need to be fed by the media (CNN, FoxNews, whatever - they al lie and twist reality).

And of course we cannot fat shame people so we blame unvaccinated ...

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I appreciate that you’re doing your homework. Covid is killing us for many more reasons than one. I can’t disagree with that.

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>What country leads in obesity rate in the OECD? Yeah, you guessed right: USA.

This is old data. Both France and Mexico has got you beat now.

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Shit, really??

What I can find for 2021 is: 10 obese and 40 overweight for France. Not even close to US numbers ...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country

If I go by this map nope, your claim is nor valid.

Source?

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I love the irony when right-wingers pretend to be right-wing-idiotic-woke calling others idiots by making apparent their own idiocy. Keeping' us entertained.

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Why do you say "people don't like and trust Dr. Fauci". I do. I like him and trust him.

I absolutely dislike morons however and traitors to America like Donald Trump.

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Let's go Biden! F Brandon!

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Most of the people who say "don't like/trust Fauci" say that because someone else saying that to THEM was all it took to make THEM believe that Fauci wasn't to be liked/trusted....and they simply can't comprehend the fact that there are actually people who are capable of thinking/deciding for themselves when forming such opinions by considering real-world facts.

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GingrbreadPimp is a genius of stellar proportions. Amazing declaration.

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Leo was Michael Mann. He worked at finding the problem, he's paraded and seduced by the media and he's completely ineffective at communicating the problem.

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