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Questions about the "subcontractors"


We found out that Tilda and the brute were hired to kill the killer ( for failing to do the Paris job). They were paid 150.000$ to do so ( that's what the millionaire said).
We also know that if you fail at a hit job, the punishment is death.
So why in the world would those 2 professional hitmen would
1. Beat the killer's girlfriend to a pulp, but let her live so she could identify them (and I don't buy the excuse that she stabbed the brute in the leg and ran away. There were 2 of them, they could have easily killed her)
2. Go home and continue their life as if nothing happened. Didn't they get paid to kill Fassbender? They just gave up because they didnt find him at home? Didn't they think Fassbender would come after them? Weren't they worried that if they didn't do the job they were paid to do, they would also be "eliminated"?

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I suppose Fassbender was a loose end because he knew who the original target was and therefore could be a liability if left alive.

The Q-tip and the brute (I mean, why would you pair them as a team? The two of them being together would stand out like a sore thumb) were just tasked with killing some nobody so they wouldn't be a problem as far as any exposure goes.

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i don't know how she survived.

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See below.

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They didn’t just let her go. Her brother is explicit about what happened, she escaped by stabbing the Brute in the leg with a knife, jumping out a plate glass window and then running into the jungle to hide.

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Yes, she stabbed the brute. What was the other professional assassin doing? Clutching her pearls? Checking her Instagram?
That's what doesn't add up to me: they left the Dominican republic immediately after this supposedly botched job, and continued their life as if the completed it successfully. Why didn't they stay to finish the job they were paid to do?

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The other professional, The Expert, was also explicit about what happened, paraphrasing a bit, “I would not have involved your friend, and I did not approve of his methods, and I told him so…”. It seems she wanted no part in the harming of an innocent bystander, and a woman at that, which by the way The Expert was sharing with our protagonist indicates she may have a soft spot, especially for women and children.
So while she was not “clutching her pearls,” she had most likely made up her mind in the moment to not get involved, a personal bit of ethics maybe, idk, but she made it clear that she was NOT cool with the whole thing regardless of what/how she acted in the moment. And do not forget, their job was to take out the protagonist, his girlfriend or anyone else for that matter was not their directive.
And as far as hunting the girl down after she escaped, exposer is not something these types of people incorporate into their profession, which is why the moment is so important in these jobs, you fuck up, then expect to be dealt with, as our protagonist was. He could have taken another shot after he blasted the sex worker, but the risk of exposer was far greater than the reward.

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You can't take anything The Expert says at face-value. In Heat, De Niro's character was not in favor of killing the armor truck guards, but after Waingro popped one, he did not hesitate to give the order to end them all. The Expert was apparently unharmed in the attack, so she should have tracked down the woman/witness and finished her. Also, with the trained assassin in the wind, she should have been on the lookout.

But all of this stems from a different misstep in the narrative. The Killer should have known about blowback. He said he was batting almost a thousand. Hasn't he taken over jobs for people who have failed? At a minimum, he should have gotten word out to his girlfriend about going to a designated safe house.

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Regardless of what the Expert said, did or meant, it still boils down to my first and most important point. The girlfriend escaped, she fought back, severely injured one of the assassins and then jumped out a plate glass window, sprinting into the jungle. She is clearly someone who they underestimated, someone with top tier survival instincts, yes, some everyday people are just badass individuals.
And do you honestly expect the contract killers to follow her/jump out a still in tact but jagged plate glass window, with who knows how much of a drop, track her into a jungle they are unfamiliar with and hope they find her, but risking exposer and possibly worse, dealing with a police presence?
And to your second point, the protagonist is a sociopath, and makes no excuses for his actions, yes he should have called, but he’s not a good person either is he, the entire point of the film is that he is beginning to see what he is and is unsettled by it, moving closer to that which is ultimately foreign to him, being someone who at the very least is open to empathy.

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"And do you honestly expect..."

Contract killers to murder a woman? Yes. Yes, I do. She was severely wounded.

"And to your second point, the protagonist is a sociopath..."

Assuming this is true, then it undermines everything from chapter two onward. Why should we expect such a confirmed sociopath to care about this lady? Shouldn't he be on a flight somewhere protecting himself? I think a reasonable case can be made that the Killer had been suppressing his "normie" feelings for his job. He twitches before taking his fateful shot. Much of the voice-over is him lying to himself about not giving a fuck. He needs to repeat his mantras because he has not fully internalized them.

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“Contract killers to murder a woman? Yes. Yes, I do. She was severely wounded.”

They were “contract killers,” and she was NOT the contract, she was collateral, a hassle, a pain in the ass, nothing short of a nuisance, and once she escaped, the juice of hunting her and tracking her in an actual jungle was not worth the squeeze.

“ Why should we expect such a confirmed sociopath to care about this lady? Shouldn't he be on a flight somewhere protecting himself?”

One of the primary themes within The Killer is about transformation, the transformation taking place within the mind of a sociopath, I’m not saying he becomes a good person, but he makes a significant change nonetheless. He even tells his girlfriend’s brother, paraphrasing, “nothing like this will EVER be allowed to happen again.” He’s committing himself to a change, what that change is we will never fully know, but he makes it clear that empathy is part of the equation, something sociopaths do not, and I quote from him, “give a fuck” about. Does he stop being a sociopath, no, but that doesn’t mean he can’t make room in his psychopathy for improvements, similar to how someone who suffers from alcoholism can remain sober if they choose to do so.

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"They were “contract killers,” and she was NOT the contract, she was collateral, a hassle, a pain in the ass, nothing short of a nuisance, and once she escaped, the juice of hunting her and tracking her in an actual jungle was not worth the squeeze."

But that's just not true. She could have had information. She said she was tortured but held strong. It's incredible that she escaped. And I mean "incredible" literally -- almost impossible to believe. You're making a big deal about exiting a window and being in the jungle. The Killer literally follows footprints into his house. This woman was bleeding and injured.

As for the comments regarding sociopathy, I merely granted your assumption as true and carried it to its logical consequences. It was an exercise to demonstrate that it doesn't hold. I think there are stronger reasons for believing he was not a sociopath, or at least not as unfeeling as he wanted us to believe (since we should be looking at this as a spectrum rather than hard categories). The Killer possesses a self-awareness, "I'm no genius," but he's also lying to himself. He's not as self-aware as he presents. His reaction to seeing his lover in the hospital bed is emotional. His vow that it will never happen again is emotional. The mantras represent a conscious commitment, a kind of self-programming.

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Human beings are capable of tremendous feats, including ones who are not in the contract killing business. Yes, the majority of individuals living in a first world country most likely have the survival instincts of a well fed Labrador but please, do not minimize what many others are capable of when faced with a life and death situation. This woman didn’t just exit a window, she threw her body against a plate glass window knowing full well that if the glass didn’t kill her, the fall might, and she did so not out of fear but with every intention of escaping certain death. So yes, I am going to make a big deal out of her escape because it says everything we need to know about her. She is not only a fighter, but she is a survivor, and everyday, ordinary people like this exist whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I appreciate the inclusion of such a character as it adds depth to the narrative of The Killer, as not all targets are going to be low hanging fruit, every once in awhile someone may put up a fight, and when underestimated as she was, may even turn the table on the assassin/s.
All of life is gamble, nothing is certain and just because something should happen, it doesn’t mean that it always does.

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Judging by the footprints and cigarettes they were casing his house for quite a long time.... so how did they not know he was not home?????

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