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Totally falls apart after the second half


It was a terrible idea to cut the book in two halfs OMG ...The first half of the movie is watchable, although not that eventful, but after Duke Leto's death the movie is unwatchable incomprehensible and boring and it ends on a uninteresting cliffhanger .The diversity hire actors sucked big time ,especially Yueh and the gender and race swapped Dr.Liet Kynes.I didn't like Oscar Isaac he looked bored without the regal alpha male aura needed for the role(I would have cast Mel Gibson or Liam Neeson)
Timothee Chalamet is meh,Stellan Skatsgard is not scary at all as the Baron(even though he tried)but he is ok,Bautista is underused again in a Villeneuve film as Beast Rabban,Rebecca Ferguson as Jessica is good but her role is expanded because of the feminist agenda of the film just like Kynes.Villeneuve's Dune is as I expected it to be a Post modern mess,minimalistic,style over substance,boring(in the second half especially),pompous,self indulgent,soulless, with some terrible wooden acting and the worst of all it's forgettable ,the Dune saga should not be forgettable ...A very mediocre adaptation,not bad but also not good it's simply meh .I prefer the original Dune(1984) with all of its faults. It didn't have the spectacular modern day CGI effects,but it had a cinematic bravado and it was made by a true visionary master and not a hack like Villeneuve.
P.S. The House of Atreides in Dune are the descendants of the Mycenaen Atreides of Ancient Greece was it so difficult to put some mycenaean art in the movie??
P.S. 2 I think the movie will bomb hard in North America just like Blade Runner 2049 Villeneuve is Box office poison he doesn't know how to make a film about the general audience he is a self indulgent hack totally out of touch

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wow.. that is a harsh review.. damn. 'prefered the original Dune(1984) with all of its faults' is pretty damning! (imagine if some intern promo person fcuked up and accidently put that on the posters as a review quote lol)

and yeh the film is lacking a major A list star like Neeson to really elevate it/regal it up and get average joe movie goers to notice (doubt WB would have Mel even though hed be good). its like DV figured having about 8 B/C listers (including a blend of MCU/DC/SW/MI) would be ok

i kind of knew this would happen though after seeing the early trailer

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You think Oscar Isaac, Bautista, Josh Brolin and Mamao are B/C listers? Lol. They are 4 of the hottest actors in the world. Mel Gibson's last major leading role was 26 years ago. Jesus. And Neeson hasn't been A-list for 10 years. Are you 85 years old or something?

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I know Isaac, Bautista and Brolin. But who is Mamao? I googled it and it was between papaya (the tropical fruit) and a bad word / slang in Puerto Rican.

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I guess you don't know how to read a cast list?

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There is no Mamao in the Moviechat's cast list. I already googled, I already seached in the moviechat's searchbox. Nothing comes out. I was just asking, man. Chill.

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IMDB

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I refuse to go to IMDb since they deleted their boards (that's why we're here.) Why don't you just give me the full name? Or wikipedia link. I was just asking nicely. No need to be difficult.

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TMDB

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What a dick.

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Momoa

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Ah, I see! Thank you!

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Yeah we're here because they deleted their boards but it's still stupid that you're unwilling to go to IMDB for information. Apparently you won't even go to wikipedia either, so this is probably all more of a you problem.

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Your mom is stupid. Is that how you talk to people? Calling them stupid at the first conversation?

I already googled it. I searched Moviechat. There is also no Wikipedia page on an actor named Mamao!

Turned out, he was mistaken. It should have been Momoa, instead of Mamao. But I didn't catch that. Even Google didn't catch that. I asked nicely, but he thought it was necessary to be difficult.

Try good manners, next time.

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I googled "mamao actor" and it gave me the right name as the first result

You were simply too lazy or your mind is too simple to have thought of adding a little bit of extra information to your google search. Congrats, you're a retard

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This is the internet where common sense, and good manners disappeared around 2010.

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Good manners on MovieChat?
In what alternate universe?

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I'd definitely place Liam Neeson and Mel Gibson above those actors you mentioned.

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I think Dune works better as a Game of Thrones style series. The sci-fi miniseries from the 90's had the right idea.

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They definitely had the right idea, but the execution was bad. Dune should be a TV series. The first four books could easily have an eight year series. I only bring up the first four because the fifth and sixth books weren't that great. Frank Herbert only wrote them because his publishing company asked for more. He said that the story was told by book four. Money certainly is an enticing factor in life...

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The story was the world ... and it was told before the end of book one, and I think the book ended badly. The other books were awful. For me, the moment I first saw that cover of the first paperback edition of Dune with the talk rocks and the dark figure at the base of them in the sand I was hooked. Now that cover is almost impossible to find or see. The world he created was groundbreaking science fiction.

Here is the image that caught my imagination:
https://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/firstpb-ace.jpg

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I saw it yesterday in Germany. I had bigger expectations i must say. It was a 3D screening and I must say: Don't watch it as 3D-Screening version. There are no scenes where 3D is nessecary or even noticable.

After watching the villeneuve dune I have to say that I prefer the 1984 Version - as you said - with all its flaws.
The 1984 Version had great costumes, Set Design, a great Cast, "interesting" storytelling (usage of the Off-dialogue) and a solid interesting soundtrack.

I really normally like Villeneuve Movies but this one was nothing special.

The Problem with the cast. Yes, as you said it seems to be very hardly puzzled together to have every ethnical group being cast. You just see it that way. Paul (Chalamet) looked absolutly like kylo ren with the hair cut and the emo face all the time. The Baron was ok but could have been far more impressive. The Baron in the 1984 version is disgusting but fascinating. The cast was in general somehow not convincing. I dont know why but I felt not that involved in their conflicts.

Also - I had just watched Dune (1984) again on Netflix before and the story and storystructure was like 1:1 the same - ok it was made upon the same book but you can interprete something differently, cant you?

The soundtrack: Ok, Hans Zimmer - where should I begin... Heavy drumms, and deep brass and everytime the desert is in the screen you hear arabian sounds (vocals, etc.) I mean, come on. Desert = Arabian sounds???
Here and there he added some e-guitar but the soundtrack from 1984 had far more character. Wasnt perfect either but this was Hans Zimmer on Auto Pilot.
The desins were really minimalistic. It worked for other Villeneuve Films but in this one he should have tried somthing different. The Harvesters, the Space Ships , the costumes not interesting. I couldnt figure out are this Saraukar or Harkonnen or Atreides fighters, they all looked basically the same.

All in all I am not very interested in a second part.

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yea also really hate that they spoke chinese in this movie. like wut? the fact that they speak english is just to let us understand, they have their own language. why are they speaking mandarin in this like in this universe, they have english and chinese? the arabian in the desert is dumb as hell.

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In a lot of things I liked the imaginings of the 1984 version.
The costumes, effects, actors ...
but I really hate the Baron, Geidi Prime, and Sting.
Kyle McLaughlin was the perfect Paul.
It just did not work despite the amazing effects of the space liners and navigators.
This version made more responsible choices. The Duke was good, but so was 1984's.
The reverend mother was better in the 1984 version.
I think they did not do a good job with that scene.
There are also just things I don't like from the book.
A lot of the book seems to go so slow and you get a look into Paul's head,
but here I don't want to look into Chalumet's head.
He has too dissipated of a look to be a prince in such a feudal universe.
Yet I still mostly liked this version.
The visions of Arrakis and Geidi Prime were not very rich.
Yes, minimalistic is a good description.
Also Caladan was not really portrayed well.
In the book I always got a more lush and rich world ... the cliffs of a Scottish Loch? if that is what it was was not convincing.
To do this movie right requires thought, long and hard, and that is why I don;t think anyone is likely to get it right, until maybe someone does an computer generated animated version perhaps.

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Arabian is spot on. "Lisan al ghaib" are arabic words.
They're waiting for "Al-Mahdi" to come and save the world.
Al-Mahdi is waited by Arabs/Muslims. Google it.

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I am pleased as punch to see all the bad reviews this movie is getting here. I hate DV with a passion.

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Anyone with a brain and taste hates him

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Did he screw your wife or something like that???

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you didnt think sicario was good?

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Sicario has the most laughable absurd uneducated ending i ever seen: force someone to sign.

Oh, yes, sure, that would work. Why even bother to force someone? Why not just forge the sign?

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i'm literally 27 minutes in and i stopped watching to go on here to rant. the movie is boring as hell with terrible acting. it's suppose to fall apart in the second half? oh boy. i also thought blade runner 2049 was boring but i heard critics jerked it off tremendously. i didn't know it bombed. it makes total sense that it bombed since it was boring as hell. word of mouth is usually what carries movies nowadays, not critics. however, i cant hate him too much because he made sicario. one of the most crisply directed movie ever. every scene was perfect.

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The movie was very good, highly recommended. Seeing in the cinema was glorious.
Denis Villeneuve proving he's one of the best directors working today.

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You are supposed to use spaces after punctuation marks such as commas or ellipses, fyi

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Says the autistic Grammar Nazi who doesn't use commas.

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You misused a comma in your reply LOL

Imagine thinking that "who doesn't use commas" is a dependent clause!

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I am not an Anglo you f u c k ...Now go masturbate to your homo porn

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You're still doing it...you do NOT put a space before the ellipses! You're welcome, btw!

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I thought it was going to be 3 "halves".
I like it. I don't love it, but they made a valiant effort at an impossible task.
I have to say the 1984 version is so cool in many ways, but it is so repulsive and ugly in others I can't go back and watch it again. I loved the feeling of that movie, and the effects, and the young Kyle McLaughlin really seem to embody Paul Atreides. The clothing and the guild navigators ... really amazing imagination ... more than this movie, but also tried to follow the book too much, which is a trap. The Baron was also just over the top, like a cartoon.

The way things are today, when people have strong opinions about something, as they will about any movie adaptation of Dune, they will vent, and today its the negative people who seem to love to spew out hate and negativity. I don't think this movie deserves that. As I say, I liked it.

Funny as I was watching it, different scenes made me thing of the book, or the 1984 version, or the John Hurt version, and my favorite slices were all over the place. I liked some parts of all of them, and disliked some parts of all of them.

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