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which president was worse than George W.?


Can you think of one?

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I cannot think of one. He was entirely incapable of doing his job. (Also unable to speak properly.) Also a racist pig. Did I type that or just think it???


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Since FDR possibly Carter. We need a few more years before we can make that judgment.

before FDR I can't give an informed answer.

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While you make some interesting points your fondness for the Carter administration far exceeds that of the Democratic party. For years they didn't mention him (like a crazy uncle in the attic). Then he became a great ex-president so they unlocked the closet, but still don't brag about his days in office.

I forgot about Ford. probably because he was VP and P yet never elected to either office. He may have been worse than Bush. he was certainly worse than Carter.

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It's futile to rank presidents, let alone pick a "best" and a "worst." As well, it's unfair to compare, say, Lincoln with F.D.R.: their realities and circumstances were worlds apart, as was coverage of their actions. Imagine the "kind of president" we'd think Bush was if he hadn't led during the "age of 'information'": just imagining it is terrifically difficult.

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Of course, and magazines and academic sorts have a great deal of fun pounding away at how Lincoln was the greatest and Hoover the worst. Honestly, some presidents simply led during more interesting times (others made their times more interesting), whereas some are believed to have been elected during more "transitional" phases. I still feel it's simply futile to try to hurl around claims of who was best and who was worst, and I get a little sick of hearing people trying to literally determine whether Bush was as bad as, say, Johnson.

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Pretty easy. Clinton, Obama, Carter.

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It seems absurd to claim Barack Obama's presidency is among the worst in U.S. history, considering his administration is just about five months old. Oh, wait: you were probably being an ass...

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MajLarkey 7 obviously wasn't an adult during Carter's time in office. Double digit inflation, 18 to 21% mortgage rates and asking his daughter Amy about her thoughts concerning international affairs (no joke)???

You don't recall stagflation, gasoline lines or the misery index because they haven't occurred or been necessary since Carter.

Carter was also the first former President to openly criticize a setting president about foreign affairs. That alone shows he is small minded and unable to understand presidential behavior as it relates to foriegn affairs.

By the way, most of the out-of-hand spending, crashing down currently, was due to governmental pressure on the banks to loan money to those "unfortunates" who couldn't possibly repay the loans. The subprime mortgage loans were government control through intimidation by Washington bureaucrats (Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) to name 2. Wait and see how President Obama's limits on credit card interest works out for the risky borrowers...Can you say..."No more credit?"

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"asking his daughter Amy about her thoughts concerning international affairs (no joke)???"

Oh, be serious. It was obvious that this was a feeble attempt at suggesting he was asking an ordinary person or a non-expert their opinion. And it fell flat, just as ultimately his presidency did. But it is absurd to pretend that he was relying on his daughter for advice on anything. On the other hand, Reagan, the big hero of the right had his schedule screened by First Lady Nancy, who had to first consult her "friend" the SF astrologer, and this little nonsense actually caused him to cut back on his scheduled activities. Talk about foolish, but, oh, I forget, Ronnie has now been beatified so we must declare all his actions to have been flawless and correct policy.

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Yes, there have been several, and if you weren't blinded by your severe lack of objectivity you would see that. Jimmy Carter, Andrew Johnson, William Howard Taft, to name a few.

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George W Bush is the worst President of the United States.Enough said.

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None. And to that person saying Obama, you are so full of it, it is beyond belief. Try giving someone a chance to accomplish something in office before you make up prefab conclusions. I swear, every Bushie was just itching to start the Obama is the worst President ever, before he even got into office. It is blatantly obvious that it was just revenge for the fact that Bush earned that distinction. Nobody, and I repeat, NOBODY, not even Bush's harshest critics were declaring him the worst in history already IN HIS FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE. It is patently absurd. It takes some time and some real negative achievement before you can earn that honor. Wait until Obama flubs two wars (one started without any real justification) and turns them over to his predecessor, violates the Constitution on a massive scale, lets scores of his subordinates run amok like a crime syndicate, outsources crucial presidential decisions to the Vice-President, sits on his ASS while a major city is consumed by the sea, and presides over a financial meltdown of historic and catastrophic proportions. Then we can start thinking about naming him worst ever. What has Obama done wrong so far - let's see, well, one of his subordinates screwed up by having Air Force one fly low over Manhattan, and then Obama and the Mrs. had a date night in Manhattan. Oh my God, impeach him already. Stimulus and health care, and Sonya Sotomayor - well, let's see, he campaigned on those, so I think we can safely say the electorate approved them. If they turn out bad, let us know. But you cannot make that determination in advance.

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Worst Presidents
- Carter: did nothing good

- Obama: Spent more money than any other president. Bailed out AIG and others with citizins money, there is nothing in the constitution that gives him the power to do that.

- Clinton: Thought every american deserved a house. But to me if you can't afford you can't buy it. Also LIED to congress about having sexual relations.

- FDR: started the welfare program which there is nothing in the constitution that gives him that power. It was a good idea at the time but there are so many people on welfare who are just to lazy to get a job. Also don't say general welfare allows it because that was just meant as hand ups not hand outs or don't say there are no jobs because i see help wanted signs in windows and jobs in classifides.

Presidents people said were the worst but are definately not

- George W. Bush: Helped us in 9/11. Got saddam out of power in iraq where the thing happening to those people were way worse than anything in iraq. Actually found WMDs but they were old, look it up. Saddam actually had control of teh WMDs also. Congress is more to blame for the resession than Bush.

-Reagan: Got the Berlin wall torn down. which was huge. would type more but i'm starving gtg eat.



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OBAMA!
and hes just begun. history will remember the 1st "black"{hes not) president as the worst in history. he wants freedom out of the US.

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Actually I was the worst president in history. I was so bad that you didn't even realize I was president because I was hiding the whole time.

Sorry for all the problems I caused.

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- "Carter: did nothing good"

Care to explain?

- "Obama: Spent more money than any other president. Bailed out AIG and others with citizins money, there is nothing in the constitution that gives him the power to do that."

Those bailouts began with Bush. Why don't you criticize him for that? As for Obama spending money, how else do you suggest he fix this whole mess? And as others have said, Obama hasn't been in office long enough to be classified as either a good or bad president.

- "Clinton: Thought every american deserved a house. But to me if you can't afford you can't buy it. Also LIED to congress about having sexual relations"

Blaming the issue on Clinton alone is extremely ignorant and shows where your biases lie. This happened because there was no regulation for those loans, and the deregulation that caused that began with Regan, the man conservatives like yourself idolize so much. Going back to Clinton, he balanced the national budget and left us with a budget surplus (and BTW, poverty went down under his presidency). Bush lied too, about FAR WORSE things. I'd rather have a president that lied about having an affair than a president that lied about the pretenses of getting into an unnecessary and illegal war that has cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American soldiers.

"- FDR: started the welfare program which there is nothing in the constitution that gives him that power. It was a good idea at the time but there are so many people on welfare who are just to lazy to get a job. Also don't say general welfare allows it because that was just meant as hand ups not hand outs or don't say there are no jobs because i see help wanted signs in windows and jobs in classifides."

How was creating the welfare program out of FDR's constitutional power?

"- George W. Bush: Helped us in 9/11. Got saddam out of power in iraq where the thing happening to those people were way worse than anything in iraq. Actually found WMDs but they were old, look it up. Saddam actually had control of teh WMDs also. Congress is more to blame for the resession than Bush."

Ok, here's what really happened. Bush was on the right track in Afghanistan after 9/11, but then switched the focus to Iraq, a county that had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed no threat to us, started an unnecessary and illegal war with the country, and then lied to the American people about the reasons for it. Yes, Saddam did have some chemical weapons, and they were old, but they were so old that they posed no threat as WMDs. And now because of this BS war, billions of dollars have gone down the toilet and thousands of American lives have been lost for nothing. Then there's all of the illegal activities and constitutional violations he and his administration caused. Taking away people's right to privacy through unauthorized wire tapping, authorizing the use of torture, and taking away habeas corpus to name a few. And how is congress to blame more for the recession than Bush? His administration took part in the deregulation of the markets that lead to this. And let's not get into the damage he's done to our reputation overseas.

"-Reagan: Got the Berlin wall torn down. which was huge. would type more but i'm starving gtg eat."

Regan began the deregulation that lead to the financial crisis, cut social programs, created HUGE budget deficits with unnecessary defense spending, illegally sold weapons to Iran to illegally fund guerrillas in Nicaragua (who by the way, committed several human rights violations), trained Bin Laden, ignored the AIDS crisis, and poverty and homelessness increased under his presidency (did I also mention that he catered to the rich and demonized the poor while this was happening?). Finally, contrary to conservative lore, Reagan didn't end the Cold War. The Cold War ended because The Soviet Union collapsed on itself because of its economic, social, and political problems, not because of anything Reagan did. Also, the Berlin Wall fell mainly because of Gorbachev's attempts to reform the Soviet Union's policies regarding its satellite states coupled with changes to the the leadership of East Germany (brought on by anti-government protests) and the reforms that followed. Reagan didn't have nearly as much influence as you conservatives like to believe.

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One thing carter did was boycott the olympics by pulling out the athletes. How stupid of him the only thing that accomplished was pissing off the athletes that spent there whole life training for the olympics.

How Obama should fix the whole mess by actually fixing it. The stimulus package did not help and cash for clunkers only tooks decent cars off the road and guess what gas prices are still the same.

You said bush got us into an illegal war but Congres is the only one who can declare war. So that would be on congress not bush. And with Clinton trying to give everyone a house may have bee ok for awhile but eventually when people couldn't make payments it screwd everything all up.

Tell me which sentence in the constitution does it say the president has the power to take money from certain people and give it to others.

I don't care if my wires are tapped because i have nothing to hide. The only people that should be worried are the people who have something to hide and there wires should be tapped. In the Preamble to the Constitution it says the government should "Establish justice,Ensure domestic tranquility, Provide for the common defence...Secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" I would say torture of the enemy and wire tapping falls into all of those categories. But saddam had weapons that he was using on his own people. He was helping Iran and the taliban. If we can't stop Iraq we will never stop Iran. Also I could give a rip what other countries think of us as long as we don't have terrorrist attacks. If we pulled out of the middle east they would obviously see it as a win and so many more terrorist attacks would happen 9/11 would only be known as the calm before the storm.

You kept talking about reagan like all he did were bad things bu if you look at a list of democrats who were president. you'll pretty much see the same things.
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I don't even know if I should waste my time with such an ignorant, partisaned-thru-and-thru, lying idiot, but there are some things you said that I cannot let slide.

First, the DJIA (the benchmark for the economy) lost over half its value when the markets collapsed - from its highest in Oct 2007, at 14021pts, to a bottom of 6547pts in March (meaning the decline occurred a FULL YEAR and 4 MONTHS before Obama was Prez - a time when W was President - and only lasted 2 months into Obama's presidency). So, what has the DJIA done since Obama truly took over as president? Oh, nothing.., really... EXCEPT GETTING BACK OVER 10,000pts!!!!! So, apparently Obama has done good for the economy, he has presided over a turn-around of 36%!!!. And, apparently Bush had a HUGE hand in destroying it.....,which brings me to my next point.....

2) When Bush took over office, the DJIA was around 10500pts...and when he left office for good as President..the DJIA was......wait for it...... BELOW 8000pts!!!! (approx 7459) A LOSS IN VALUE OF 29%!!!!! So, in two terms, W was able to set our economy BACK TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!!!!!

3) Iraq did NOT have WMDs! They did have old sarin gas canisters. They couldn't even be classified as weapons grade, as they were so deteriorated. IF we would have found WMDs, Fox, Tony Snow, Bush, Cheney, would STILL be talking about them. I F---NG hate D-Bags that try and say we found WMDs (or that they were moved to Syria- which if that WERE the case, why the F--K didn't we go after them?! I thought, after all, this was about WMDS?!?)

4) Lets see, according to our OWN government, the National Debt when Bush entered office was around 5.7 trillion dollars. And when he left? 10.8 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!! Bush almost fu--ing DOUBLED in TWO TERMS, what took TWO CENTURIES to amass!!!!!

You know what, I am done with you. I think I have proven my point; and fully exposed your lies, misinformation, and unwavering commitment to the failing GOP regardless of how much destruction they have caused to this once great and proud nation! Maybe you and your ilk, should use multiple resources to get your information and beliefs from - instead of only parroting what your false prophets spout off.

Ohhh..., and the severely inappropriately title Patriot Act? Let me consult one of our fore-fathers and a TRUE Patriot, and I quote ' They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.' - Benjamin Franklin . Having or not having something to hide, has nothing to do with it. That f---ng 'Patriot Act' goes against everything our fore-fathers stood for, and fought for!!! You freaking cowards

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You said I lied but then you started talking about topics I never even mentioned. So you said I lied but you never proved that what I said was a lie. I never once mentioned the DJIA so how is spitting off a bunch of numbers from it proving that I lied.

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You said Obamas plans have not helped out (where i use the DJIA as reference that infact, his policies HAVE helped. Again, the DJIA is a benchmark of the economy, DJIA goes down-economy doing bad, DJIA go up-Economy doing good)

I talked about the war in Iraq, something you talked about. And on.
But what I find even more suspicious (and hilarious) is that you didn't even attempt to refute a SINGLE thing I said. Interesting...

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wah wah, the haters on the left say "Bush, nuff said" like retards. The haters on the right say "Obama, Clinton, Carter." like retards.

None of you idiots know about presidents before your time, and your time probably began after 1990.

My vote would be Woodrow Wilson for worst president.

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Sure. There were many presidents worse than Bush. I believe that people who claim Bush is the worst President ever have a poor understanding of history, or have an overinflated sense of themselves and a belief in "instant history", i.e. anything that happens now has to be either the best, the worst, most important, etc. Bush was certainly in the lower half, maybe even the lower 3rd, but worst? No, I don't see it. Worse presidents include:

Martin Van Buren
James Polk
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren Harding
Herbert Hoover
James Carter

Bush's place ahead or among these will have to be determined by history. It's too early to tell.

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Worst:
Filmore
Hoover
Harding
Andrew Johnson
Van Buren
G.W. Bush

Best:
Lincoln
Nixon (I'm dead serious)
FDR
JFK (Prevented Russia from killing us)

Watergate and Cambodia were Nixon's two mistakes. They were bad ones, but history has shown the good he did far outweighed those two things, America can't get over that but can get over Clinton's perjury. That's a pretty big double standard.

EVERY president has done some shady business, Nixon just got caught in the act.

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