snape pulled a lot of unnecessary shit


1.the shit with harry
2.the shit with hermione calling her an insufferable know it all when she was obviously highly intelligent
3.the shit with lupin exposing him as a werewolf
4. the shit with sirius taunting him, calling him a coward

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Jealousy and anger can just make people do some nasty crap.

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he is a complicated man, it i were in his shoes i would be pissed too

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I'm also not sure Rowling knew exactly what his endgame was while writing the books.

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Hmm, I think she new exactly what she was doing. Read the first book again, this time from the perspective of someone who’s already read the Deathly Hallows. There are tons of seeds planted from the beginning.

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i read she had the whole series plotted out before writing.

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She did.

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I shouldn't have used the word endgame as I know she did know that he would be "good". I have read the books many times and maybe I'm tainted by all the stuff she has said afterwards, i think that at times she might have over complicated him, and then to get the character back to where she wanted him, it sometimes seemed off or even just slightly out of character.


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She told Alan Rickman her plans early on so he would get the character right. She made him promise not to tell anyone else. They say he used to get into arguments with directors who wanted to change his character but refused to tell them why they couldn't make the changes.

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He was actively cultivating a hatred toward them to keep Voldemort from suspecting anything.

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I'm pretty sure Snape was just an insufferable asshole.

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There was so much talk before the Deathly Hallows came out about whether Snape was good or bad. Turns out, he was mostly just human. He was a very complicated person who ultimately did the right thing. He protected Harry. He didn’t like Harry. Harry reminded him too much of James, who also wasn’t always a nice guy. Snape wasn’t innocent, but neither were James and his friends, who tormented Snape.

I loved how not cut and dry those characters were. It’s too easy to place everyone into categories of good and bad, but it’s much more realistic and honest to admit that most people are neither. Most people are just doing the best they can with what they have.

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great post

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Let me also chime in in support of Ziggy's post.

That said, though, Alan Rickman bears a lot of the "blame" - he was able to play the sleaziest villains with such charm and class that you still wanted to love him, whether he was Hans trying to blow up the Nakatomi hostages (including a pregnant woman) or the Sherif of Nottingham forcing himself onto Marian

However sadistic, unfair and outright mean Snape acted, there was always Rickman's own charisma leaking out.

And while it didn't happen in the book, I'll always remember in "Prisoner of Azkaban," when the chips were down, Snape's first instinct was to place himself between his students and a werewolf (and then back away ... and later rat Lupin out to the parents ... and so on).

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Love Alan Rickman as Snape. He did a fabulous job!

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Indeed. There is no better actor for that part. Rickman is such an eloquent badass.

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he may have been sleezy, cold and calculating. but he was brave and capable.. Snape was the most complicated and well fleshed out character.

my only qualm with the series in general is how 2 dimensional many characters are. not in terms of their development, but more so in the good vs evil dichotomy.

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James and Sirius "tormented" Snape when they were teenagers. Snape tormented Harry when he was a grown ass man. Snape is far, far worse than James. James at least grew up. Snape remained a cruel, hateful prick his entire life.

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He was definitely far from perfect! He did also protect Harry many times. He wasn't always "nice" to him, but he did keep his promise to Dumbledore and really always was working towards defeating Voldemort.

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He wasn't just not nice to him. He was sadistic. He took pleasure in tormenting, harassing, and humiliating Harry from the second Harry arrived to Hogwarts. And let's not forget he was so horrible to Neville that Neville was actually afraid of him.

Snape did help save Harry. But he was also still a terrible person. A bitter, miserable, hate filled man holding a dead childhood bully against an innocent boy, and had a creepy obsession with a dead woman.

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Well, that's the thing that made Snape so totally believable, so utterly human.

He was this fantastically brave and brilliant man, who in addition to being brave and brilliant... hated kids, hated his job, hated being unable to leave his old high school where he'd been miserable, and still hated a lot of his peers. And the thing is, it all added up to a totally believable whole! If Snape hadnt been a bitter mess with no life, maybe he wouldnt have been willing to risk his life, or give his life the way he did. His unhappiness and anger gave him a kind of strength.

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Lupin went undercover with other werewolves, putting himself in just as much as much danger as Snape. He also fought and multiple battles and gave his life to fight Voldemort and his death eaters. And yet, he wasn't this horrible, bitter ass hole. He was a kind, good man.

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Oh, people can be brave without being messed like Snape. And it really is too bad th hat we didnt hear more about Lupin's adventure tg jues, but then, Lupin failed to bring any werewolves over.

Snape succeeded in his intentions, and I do think that Snape wouldnt havd been anywhere as brave... if he'd had anything to lose.

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It was all a scam. He had to make believe that he hated Potter. In the end, he loved him.

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being informed that theyre a know it all can be helpful to a kid

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