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It's not about obesity, but the doubt and self-hate gays feel when told by society that they're an abomination.


Charlie never thought he was a blight on society because of his sexual orientation, but after being told that for so long, he began to question his own goodness. The movie was about him in his last days searching for any reason, through his daughter, why the world's view of him might be wrong. When he dies at the end, it's suggested that he went to heaven, meaning God doesn't share the view that many in the world do towards gays. It's a very affirming, pro-tolerance/acceptance message.

The obesity is a metaphor for the ugliness and revulsion that homophobic people see/feel when they look at gays. The use of obesity in this way is problematic though, because the movie leverages fat-phobia to push gay-acceptance.

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Why do you think this movie was fatphobic? While he treated his wife and daughter badly before the movie, I thought it was a highly sympathetic portrayal of a character suffering from a severe eating disorder.

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I think that's how the movie intended you to view Charlie, with disgust, because that's how Charlie viewed himself after he had an affair with a man, which cost him his family and also ended in the death of the man he had the affair with.

It's sort of like in Porco Rosso, where the guy is suffering from survivor's guilt and becomes a pig. He's thinking there are people who hate him already for being gay, but with what he did to his family, and the death of his partner, he's feeling especially low.



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Okay like I said, he did the wrong thing by his wife and daughter. But sh1t happens and overall Charlie's not a bad person and he honestly cares about others, especially his daughter. You've correctly pointed out out that his eating disorder can be attributed to feelings of guilt and bereavement. I also suspect that there was an element of self destruction. In no way did the movie portray him as greedy, etc. He needed counselling, not value judgements. In that regard I don't see this film as fatphobic.

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No, they just tried to double up the sympathy by making him morbidly obese AND gay. He could have been a straight man and the movie would have had the exact same effect. It wouldn’t have been different at all. He could have cheated with a much younger, attractive, female student instead. But, Hollywood has to push an agenda every time.

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Charlie was gay in the play, and there's plenty of husbands and wives in real life who didn't know they were gay until they met someone.

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Bullshit. If you are gay you know it, if you marry a woman then you are at the very least denying reality and usually you can add on a liar that is conning the woman. I've know lots of gays and lesbians and while some of them weren't sure when they were in school, they all knew they were attracted to the same sex by the time they left high school... a gay doesn't just wake up one day and say damn the pool boy sure is hot, I think I'm gay... If you believe that then you probably believe a woman can get pregnant from a toilet seat.

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It's latent homosexuality. There's other fictional examples, look at Friends, Ross' first wife was a latent lesbian and cheated on him with another woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

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So a cokehead pervert made it up, so surely it's true. Just like gender fluidity from that child grooming pedo.

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Wow, it seems to me that people like pbt and Jasonbayly must always over analyze movies these days in order to find the “why it’s problematic”.

It never occurred to you that reading about the story would answer some of your relentless questioning? Because you would’ve quickly learned that the man who wrote the play and the screenplay dealt with eating disorder problems and he’s an homosexual. He wrote this from his own life experience.

There was no “pushing” anything so y’all better take a chill pill.

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I love users who over analyze movies, please don't discourage them.

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Okay Boro bro

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Nope just fat

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Who looks at gays as abominations? Other than maybe a few religious quacks, no one in this nation views them that way, in fact, we glorify gays, as seen in this movie.

In addition to this, we have gay celebrities, gay talk show hosts, gay athletes, gay politicians, by and large, gays are treated pretty damn good in the US. They're basically a protected class in this country. Say one negative thing about gays and you'll get chastised for it.

Anyhow, I think this movie is pretty straightforward, it's about a man that's gay and has an eating disorder and has some regrets in life etc...

I actually thought it was a pretty good film and perhaps better than many of the other gay movies I've seen. But I don't think it had any deeper meaning than what meets the eye.

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The director is known for being an atheist and critical of religion, so it makes sense that he would direct his criticism towards religion and "religious quacks. While I don't agree with pbn that the movie is fatphobic, there is a possibility he was correct about the movie focusing, at least to some extent, on society's perceptions of homosexuality.

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Yes, Aronofsky is known for not really liking religion that much or more to the point, he doesn't care for Christianity. I doubt he would ever criticize Islam or Hinduism, Jews etc. in his movies but Christians are an easy target, they won't kill you for showing them in a bad light like muslims will. It's a show of cowardice to only choose one religion to poke fun at in movies.

However, this movie had a very "holy ending" in my view. It was all about redemption and enlightenment which is a central point of most religions, especially Christianity. I still thought it was a pretty solid movie but yeah, society is really not that anti-gay as some film directors would have you think.

In fact, a lot of religious people don't have problems with gays either they just don't agree with their choice. In fact, "love the sinner, hate the sin" is a motto that many of them live by.

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"It's a show of cowardice to only choose one religion to poke fun at in movies."

I tend to agree with your argument that US directors find it easier to criticize Christianity than other religions.

Although, maybe I don't seen to many of his movies, but what about Noah (2014)? Very critical of the "old testament".

About Islam, I don't think anyone is brave enough in Hollywood to produce movie that criticize Islam. At least he or she have a death wish.

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Noah wasn't exactly critical of the old testament. It was just a different take on the flood story. To be precise, it's based on the Book Of Enoch's version of the flood story and TBOE was an omitted book of the Bible.

And yep, no one would take on Islam, it would be a death sentence, which automatically tells me that Christianity is a better belief system than Islam.

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An interesting revelation—I wasn't aware of that. I recall the movie portraying Noah as mentally ill who hallucinating things and with vengeful tendencies ; this took me by surprise. I had anticipated a straightforward and simple story about Noah and the ark. I find it frustrating, primarily because the film's marketing presented an entirely different picture from the eventual product. This approach was highly unfair on their part.

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Wow. It's just like that latent homosexual theory. These people who hate religion and Christianity really want to be religious LOL All that projection, thats where the latent homosexual theory came from.

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"When he dies at the end"

Thanks for the spoiler alert, asshole.

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You read these boards before watching a movie you've never seen? Lol...

Good luck with that.

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What goodness do you speak of? The cheating part? The being a terrible father? Or being a gluttonous meatbag?

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