Underwhelming


I was expecting great things from this and, while it had some real merit, it was rather uninspired.

It looked incredible and Pattinson was surprisingly good as Batsy and B-Wayne, and the music was fantastic, but it was a long slog with very little that made you ‘wow’.

The fight scenes were… meh, and the action scenes muddled. It was hard to see what was going on during the car chase, and the Batmobile - usually a highlight in these films - was some kind of compromise version which had neither the battle-tank quality of Nolan’s, nor the sleek dildo quality of Burton’s. It was just a souped-up car with a sprinkling of armour and a thruster.

Wokeness was present. A gang of thugs at the start are goading a semi-reluctant new member to attack a civilian. The goaders are all white, of course, and the thug with a conscience is black, of course. Several good characters are race-swapped from white to black (Gordon, Catwoman, mayor) and most obnoxiously Blackwoman refers to evil ‘white’ elites. Thomas Wayne is also slimed somewhat in a retrofitted backstory. All villains are, of course, white. The film is racist crap and you shoudn’t pay to see it under any circumstances.

With the spectre of the Nolan films still hovering over culture this needed to be something really special to stand out, and it just wasn’t. Nolan gave us The Scarecrow’s disturbing demonic hallucinations, Heath Ledger’s fantastic Joker, Bane’s creepy ass voice, a football field imploding mid-game, and action scenes with real tension. This had no such wow-factor, it was all serviceable but kinda bland.

For some reason this was rated 15 in the UK. I found it to be no stronger than the 12-rated Nolans, even tamer in fact. They should have gone all out with an ‘R’ and given us something special in the violence department. Let’s have some blood and bone-crunching violence, think Sin-City.

So yeah, it’s worth watching for the mood and some decent scenes but there are too many characters and it’s hard to care about much of anything.

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Pattinson did not make me believe he is Batman. It's odd to me but IMO Ben Affleck played him best. Every scene that showed Pattinson as Batman, my mind was wishing for Ben.

Every iteration of this character seems to get us closer to a realism, even if it's not realistic. I found myself really liking some of the characters, and even some casting. Jeffery Wright IS Commissioner Gordon. We won't hear problems with making a white character black because this was correct casting and was not done in order to change the status quo. And Collin Ferrall's performance was extraordinary.

Batman movies these days seem to fool me with at least one potential false wrap-up, then introduce new information to drag it on a bit longer. I'll find myself moving the mouse if watching at home to see if indeed we are approaching the end. I must admit I did fall asleep for a while but I was powerful tired. I wouldn't mind going back and giving it another go.

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I guess agree to disagree. I never understood the love for Affleck's Batman outside of his physical stature.

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I liked the fight choreography in BvS.

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See but that is just it I feel people attribute that to Affleck. The fight choreography is completely reliant on the choreographer and the director. It is a hyper stylized fight scene. I get the appeal of it and it is nice but when you compare it The Batman or Nolan's fight scenes you are really comparing apples to oranges. The Batman is going for more realistic choreography over stylized. I will say though the fight in the warehouse is honestly the only thing in BVS I think is good. I think the film is a dumpster fire and a complete narrative mess.

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Yes, I agree it's basically just the warehouse fight scene. But I think the fight choreography affects how audience percieve the characterization of Affleck's Batman.

Combined with what you already mentioned, the stature, both combines into a new kind of Batman. A big, muscular, hard hitting, unafraid to kill Batman. Far away from the BOOM! POW! Batman of yore which honestly never actually gone away completely even when the severely reduced the camp.

Burton's, Nolan's and even The Batman fighting choreography still has at least some of the legacy BOOM! POW! style, while BvS completely gone almost John Wick style, which is the "new school" of fighting choreography since probably The Raid.

I think most people agree that BvS was a dumpster fire and a complete narrative mess, thus making the Batman's image (stature + choreo) even more pronounced / memorable. I'd guess that's probably why Affleck's Batman was well liked by many.

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Yeah I get it but it is just annoying because people attribute that to the performance and it has nothing to do with the performance. That scene occurs regardless of which actor is playing Batman. You know this I am just venting because people get so confused.

It definitely was the most visceral fight we had seen with Batman at the time for sure. I do not like Batman killing so freely though. Yes I even had an issue with Burton's films in this aspect. Is it a deal breaker? No but I feel you tear apart a huge aspect of what makes the character compelling. The thing I think which makes Batman the best hero is he can literally be everything. What I mean is he can be dark, angry, he can be sad, he can be an inspiration for hope, he can be compassionate, he can be clever, he can witty, he has a dry sense of humor. Once you make him kill so freely it makes him lean into being a punisher archetype. Where they are just dark gritty and angry constantly. Also you open up narrative loopholes. If he is so willing to kill in that film why leave Lex Luthor alive at the end of the film? Surely if he will kill thugs for fighting him why not kill Luthor? See the issue?

I think the Batman strikes a good balance. It eliminated the quick cutting and shaky cam Nolan's movies had and had cleaner better staged choreography as well.

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Movie was.... forgettable. It came out, made few dollars and was forgotten next week. I dont see anyone talking about it afterwards. No one is anticipating sequel. No one asks when it will come. Its like this movie is not even existing. Because literally nothing interesting happened in it.

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I think anyone putting this over the Dark Knight or Batman Begins are crazy imo.

I like the film, Pattinson is awesome as was Colin Farrell (but underused badly in this). Zoe Kavitz sucks. But first two acts were strong as it felt like a Fincher Se7en like film but with a superhero as the main character. Also we didn't get another origin story which is refreshing. I like that Pattinson plays Wayne more as a loner and his Batman is played a bit more on edge of good and bad.

The third act totally balls it up and goes back to playing it safe. Plus it's way too long and just isn't strong enough to warrant a 3 hour running time. Shame really, I'd put it top 5 of Batman films and hopefully when it comes to 2nd film that Pattinson's Batman gets his own Dark Knight level quality film.

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