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To the apologists of this movie: You really think "haters" are a "vocal minority"?

posted 7 years ago by dteam6 (5073)
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Really? Seriously? Is that the defense you're going with?

This is the first time a Star Wars movie was released where many people I've encountered in public have said bad things about it.

People I don't even know in cash register lines, coworkers at my workplace, friends, family--many of them having the same complaints about Luke and the movie as a whole.

My wife just told me today that one of her coworkers who saw the movie stated: "you're not missing anything" and a few of her coworkers have already decided not to watch it based on the leaked info.

The other day a store cashier asked me about it in the self-checkout line and I stated I hadn't seen it. He said: "Yeah, it was OK. I didn't like it as much as The Force Awakens".

Oh, and then there's the "tiny matter" of the 57% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes but I guess that score only counts when it's in favor of your movie, right?

And I guess this "vocal minority" is vocal enough that Disney itself addressed it, right?

Yep, all a minority.

And the only explanations I've seen for why the apologists feel this way is the box office. Really? That's all you have? No $hit the box office was huge--it's STAR WARS and most people didn't go to the theater knowing what happens in advance. Even those who DID go there went out of sheer morbid curiosity.

But if we must talk box office here--it's not hitting as highly as The Force Awakens and many were expecting a LARGER box office for this film months ago.

If you like the film that's fine--there's nothing wrong with liking it--but stop pretending that this isn't a divisive Star Wars film that has MANY fans p!ssed off.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Well said!!! Take a google at TLJ backlash...tons of the media outlets are putting out stories about the backlash and at the end of the day it's the same...it's making shit tons of cash so all is good! Ironically many of the stories are by outlets that gave the film glowing reviews. I was one that stated that IF the flick is good it could be the biggest movie of all time...that Won't happen ,but it will be interesting to see how steep the drop in BO is this time next week...I have a bad feeling about this ( see Rain...I got that line in a one paragraph post...what was your fucking problem?)

[–] Gastonian (946) 7 years ago

Agreed on all counts

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

It's taking a lot of flack, and I'm not surprised.

Rian Johnson did an okay job, but there are a lot of things he botched here.

I'm not even going to touch on the overall story, which I always accept.

What I can't accept are the amateurish and gimmicky elements that come from an unseasoned writer/director with nothing really noteworthy behind him, and his one sci-fi "Looper" was just a mess.

It's also embarrassing to see a Star Wars movie come out where one third of the OVERLONG running time is completely disposable side-plot that has no impact on the story.

[–] ChuckFindlay (392) 7 years ago

I’ve seen a few people that make good points about the things they didn’t like. Well thought out arguments well made. And then there’s the dipshits. The muppets who only seem to care about gender and race and then get all upset when you call them on it. Ie a badly written character has fuck all to do with being Asian, or a woman.

In the same spirit I’ll offer you this, if you think people should accept that other don’t like the movie so should accept that others do like. And that’s there’s people that don’t hate it, they see it problems and like it anyway. We’re all different it’s time for a lot of us to grow up and understand ours isn’t the only opinion that matters.

And box office means fuck all. I’ll never understand why people use that as some kind of measuring stick for quality. Unless we think twilight is fucking awesome now? Ugh.

[–] footlegger (1462) 7 years ago

The really sad thing is that Mark Hamill hates it too. And I bet George Lucas isn't happy either.
https://youtu.be/eZlw64mI228?t=46s

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

Mark hated Force Awakens too. He has no faith in the Disney trilogy.

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

This is the first time a Star Wars movie was released where many people I've encountered in public have said bad things about it.

Were you around for the prequel trilogy?

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

Of course. I remember a whole lot of nothing in terms of public discussion. People didn't really talk about those films much from what I remembered. Seriously--only an uber-nerd or two would. Even in my schools a lot of kids didn't really have much to say about them.

The prequels were a different story: lame but people came to expect them to be. Plus, it was a time where internet/social media didn't truly exist in the context that it does today.

This film was something people had high hopes for because of the return of Luke and other things. The prequels seemed to be common knowledge of their crap factor back then. People expected more from this movie.

A lot of people seemed to idolize Darth Maul back then, though.

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

I still love Darth Maul, actually. ;)

But I remember when the prequels came out during the early days of IMDb and people were roasting all three online. I also remember some comedians joking about Phantom Menace being bad on TV. Phantom Menace probably got more hate than the next two, but I remember people really not liking them.

To be fair, it started off small and grew but it was there.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

I liked Maul at first, too...but that was before I saw the movie. We bought this poster of Phantom Menace with Darth Maul front and center, wielding that double-edged lightsaber and I thought it looked awesome.

Maul LOOKS awesome--like a Sith demon or something--but he's underused in the film and has one line.

Most of us thought back during those days that Maul would be the "Darth" of the prequels and, in retrospect, that would have been spectacular.

Alas, it wasn't meant to be. :/

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

Yeah, I always thought he should've been around for the whole trilogy.

I'm guessing you like the animated shows, though.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

I don't watch them. I'm not big on Star Wars outside of the movies and some of the games. I heard that Maul is revived in one of those shows or something?

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

Yes, he shows up in Clone Wars and Rebels. He finally died in Rebels (set a few years before A New Hope) and it's a fitting death. A lot of his scenes and episodes are on youtube.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Professional critics have been giving the movie accolades, while audience scores have been quite critical. Personally, I prefer not to cite EITHER of those. I will form my own opinions instead, based on my own personal viewing of the movie.

[–] Sloopydrew (12) 7 years ago

In both previous trilogies the second film did WAY worse than the first. The Last Jedi had the smallest drop off from the first episode of any of the three trilogies. I agree with much of the other stuff you said, but facts is facts, yo.

[–] AP (5262) 7 years ago

Yeah, Attack of the Clones has had the lowest numbers for the Star Wars movies, I believe.