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...when all the MCU women lined up in a row to display their specially coordinated 'Girl Power' during the war with Thanos.

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I liked it but also shook my head at it at the same time. I like strong female characters and liked seeing them all together in one shot and fight together. At the same time though, I thought it was just for the SJW crowd and to please them. All I do is just picture all the women dropping what they were doing and raced over to help out. When I actually thought about it more after the movie ended, I was thinking something like "wasn't Wasp with Ant-Man and fighting next to him?" (Yeah, I know they were trying to get the van, but I thought they went back to fighting all of Thanos' "minions" and side-by-side after that fail.) And I'm pretty sure ALL the women were scattered throughout the battlefield with some being at the other end of where Captain Marvel and Spider-Man were. So you are telling me they dropped what they were doing and raced/teleported over to Captain Marvel to assist her? Come on. Yeah. It was pretty cool seeing them all in the same shot, but once you stop and think about it, it just seems off since they were probably all scattered throughout the battlefield and too focused on fighting. All I can do is just picture someone like Shuri trying to save a kid (yeah, I know this wasn't happening on the battlefield, just thinking whenever/on a normal basis) and then saying (not literally) screw you to the kid because another female hero is nearby and may need help, although the kid is 2 seconds from being saved. Then do that x amount of times for every female character that joined Captain Marvel and swap out the kid with something else. Like saving a bus full of people or preventing a hostage situation. Also, I'm pretty sure there were other male heroes around. Why didn't they drop what they were doing to assist Captain Marvel or why couldn't they? They could've even used some of the heroes that weren't really onscreen much during the battle to assist Captain Marvel. Like Drax or Groot. But I really am in the middle on this scene/part.

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This is what I'm saying Reaperscout. It was such a contrived moment. It almost felt like a parody.

It was clearly done to (1) satisfy the actors in the cast like Tessa Thompson, who talked about a spin-off film featuring an all-female superhero cast of characters, and (2) to demonstrate how woke Disney is. But it didn't feel natural or organic and it stuck out like a sore thumb.

Like you say, it made no sense for all the women to be assembled in a line at that moment. It was a very self-conscious moment that took the audience out of the film. Rather than being about women gathering together to take on sexism within the film, it was more of a massive wink to the audience "Hey look at us! Aren't we so pro-women!"

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I preferred the "She's not alone" line when it was used in the last movie by Black Widow when she defended Scarlett Witch. It made contextual sense, showed girl power, and was a very poignant moment in my opinion. This time around, though... not so much.

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Yeah, I like that moment too. I watched Infinity War again yesterday night knowing I'd be watching the sequel today, and that moment gave me a slight lump in my throat. It's probably going to feel more poignant now knowing what happens to a certain character (as discussed in Clint and Wanda's final scene here).

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Yeah, all if the characters were in different parts of the battlefield which made it seem even more forced. On top if that, Spider-Man apparently disappeared as he was next to Captain Marvel at the time.

It was one of the few nitpicks I had.

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Easily the worst part of the film. What was more absurd is that Captain Marvel didn't need any help from them. Since she is basically Invincible and she just blasted through all of the people in her way. Did any of the women actually assist her? Didn't seem like it.

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I’m surprised there isn’t already a thread-rant about it here

But in the incels’ defense, there was no clear in-movie justification for them all to assemble like that (aside from them protecting Peter, the youngest Avenger)

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You can't blame this one on all the 'incels'. Like you say, there was no reason for them to assemble like that. It was contrived and clearly intended to draw attention to Disney/the MCU's 'wokeness'.

As a side point, I champion and welcome strong female characters, especially when it's presented organically. But my married friend, a father with a very beautiful and highly-educated/successful wife (in other words, definitely not an 'incel'), was complaining to me, just prior to seeing this one, about Captain Marvel, and the fact that a white man was a baddie and the story was a PC metaphor for Arab immigration. I disagreed with him (for what it's worth, he is a political centrist who despises Trump and the far-right, but suffice to say he is a lot further to the political right than I am). Whatever one may or may not feel about Brie Larson's comments outside of the film, I personally thought that the female empowerment message was done subtly (or as subtle as one can ever expect from a family-friendly blockbuster Disney movie) in Captain Marvel.

Unfortunately, I don't think that was the case this time (although at least it was a very brief moment in an otherwise well-judged movie).

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I didn’t think it was a big deal. It was only a few seconds too.

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Sorry, but it was really heavy-handed and clunky.

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i thought it was needless pandering, a rare false note in an otherwise very assured film.

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I'm honestly shocked it was included in this film.

Throughout the entire MCU, I always thought they did a good job showing strong female characters, and giving them their moments to shine, but it was usually in a very organic way, and without being too preachy. That's why this really came out of left field.

They are in a gigantic, and chaotic, battle... all those female characters aren't going to suddenly pair together in the midst of everything happening like that. It doesn't fit the scene at all.

It's like nominating "Black Panther" for best picture in response the whole "Oscar So White" controversy. It's a dramatic overreaction.

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Here's a quote from a ***** Empire review: "It's punctuated by moments of pure, giddy delight that put Thor's arrival in Wakanda into the shade, and moments of emotion that hit hard; if this is fan service (okay, it’s definitely fan service) it’s exceptionally well deployed. Except, maybe, for one nod to grrrl power that is uncharacteristically clumsy."

Can't really disagree with that part.

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Dead on, IMO.

I'm wondering if someone forced the Russo's to put that scene together, because it really does feel out of place, especially for them.

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Was it a little ridiculous? Yes. Is it worth this bitching and whining about it? No. It was like 30 seconds out of a God damn 3 hour movie. Who honestly cares.

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So, if up there had been, only, thirty seconds of the women flashing their breasts at the audience, or Captain America going on a racist rant at Sam, it would have been okay?

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Yes because 30 seconds of the female characters in one shot is the same as going on a racist rant.

This is my point. You're whining and crying over one stupid moment. In a movie filled with plot holes and stupid fan service and audience pandering. It was dumb, but it also wasn't bad enough to warrant being so offended like you are.

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Oh, don't get me wrong. I've 'whined and cried' about the plot holes and stupid fan service and audience pandering too.

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Not so much of a groan, I actually just said "Wow really?.. Okay cool."

It was a cool shot but obviously we will get more Female characters and films in the future. For now, it was just a harmless cool scene to please the Women in the audience.

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I'm sure many women will have also groaned at the unsubtle pandering.

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