MovieChat Forums > General Discussion > Japan is disappearing

Japan is disappearing


it's population dropped by 800,000 in 2022. it's paying the price for its insular culture.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/26/japan-population-how-many-people-drops-first-time-births-deaths

reply

Probably more like it's paying the price for its high cost of living.

When the cost of living and housing is so high that people can't afford to have children, or more than one child, birth rates drop.

reply

How do they even hook up, they are always calling each other asshole

reply

Much has been written about this, boys hang with boys and girls hang with girls, and young people are generally awkward with people of the opposite sex.

Basically, the mothers deal with this by pushing them to marry the first near-stranger of the right background, who's able to make eye contact. Or whatever the Japanese cultural equivalent of eye contact is, because making eye contact is considered rude in Japan.

reply

I was making a joke about them always saying ah so

reply

You might not want to try that joke in real life.

reply

So I guess stretching my eyes with my index fingers is totally out of the question?

reply

Well if you DO try it, be a doll and tell me what happens next!

reply

Yes, but stretching them with your middle fingers is acceptable, and even considered a sign of respect. Especially to Sumo wrestlers.

reply

Heh heh I got the joke. Reminds me of Wood Yi

Signed, million man.

reply

"How do they even hook up,..."

Here's one way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpQeJOCbH9Y Japan is a known world leader in this industry.

reply

The same thing is happening across the developed world, it's just worse in Japan. It's interesting how in the wealthiest countries, children are considered too expensive. In the US, medical costs can be very costly even if people have health insurance, but it's also happening in countries that have national health care and most of those costs are covered.

reply

What do you mean children are "considered too expensive", they ARE too expensive! Young people in their prime reproductive years can't afford rent on a 1BR apartment all over the civilized world, and they're painfully aware that marrying and having kids would mean raising a family in their childhood bedroom, because they can't afford to live anywhere else. And that's without the kids being old enough to demand their own iphones and designer wardrobes, in addition to healthcare and groceries and all the other everyday expenses that are becoming increasingly difficult.

And some people think that's why the aforementioned capitalist oligarchs are trying to take away reproductive rights and limit access to birth control, they want to keep population growth up because it means profits and cheap labor for them. But overpopulation hurts everyone else.

reply

Yes, well, other countries that are much poorer often have higher birth rates was my main point.

There are a lot of people just struggling to get by on their own in the US, but I think there's more to it. Even people I know who aren't doing too badly are only having one or two kids, if they have any at all. I think with most of them, it's not wanting to have to deal with more children. Most people get to two and decide that's enough.

It seems to happen everywhere. Even in China, as the country has become wealthier and more developed, the birth rate has gone down.


reply

India's birth rate has also dropped.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/indias-birth-and-fertility-rates-have-fallen-more-than-chinas-data-shows-3967391.html

So as long as regular folks have access to birth control, reducing family sizes as educational levels and incomes rise seems to be a common process. But there are still powers in this world trying their damndest to keep birth control hard to get, or at least hard to get for the ordinary schmucks.

reply

Yes, access to birth control and knowledge how to use it is a big factor. Good point.

reply

the population in every province is dropping. it's more than just the cost of living. people in canada and the usa tend to move to lower cost areas. the japanese have stopped have babies and they don't have immigration.

reply

Sounds like some real steals on property will soon be available!

A long plane flight though and I don’t speak Japanese.

reply

Saw a YouTube video on this. A Swedish guy took over an abandoned house in Tokyo with everything left inside. He’s documenting the rehab. He said something like 15% of all houses in Japan are abandoned. Old people pass away and there are no offspring to take over the house or the contents and no buyers market that wants to purchase a house anyway. Here’s the short version of the video:

https://youtube.com/shorts/8w1xpv9_te8?feature=share

reply

Wow, that’s weird!
15% of houses are abandoned?

I’m gonna read up on this more, it sounds unbelievable

reply

Traditionally in Japan, a young couple buying a house will bulldoze the old building on a plot to build a new one. Japanese homes are intended to survive only one generation at most.

reply

Hmm, I never heard this.
Sounds kind of costly!
Why wreck a good house?

reply

I read it was something that was always done in Japan when building technology that could survive earthquakes didn't exist. People got used to the idea that homes were temporary and disposable like paper cups. That technology does exist now, but old habits die hard.

reply

Celibacy syndrome.

reply

Sad because I actually respect Japanese culture and history.
They also brought me Nintendo which was a huge part of my life growing up.
They also have some of the prettiest women.
I will miss Japan if they go extinct one day, but I'm sure that will be long after I'm gone.

reply

NEVER FORGET PEARL HARBOR.

reply

I never will and I wasn’t even close to born then. Two of mom’s uncles were USMC and fought in the Pacific theater. They had a lot of scary stories to tell about the Japanese Empire back then. They were monsters with NO quit in them. They looted, raped and slaughtered half the Chinese countryside.

Luckily for the world we had something special just for them.

They’ve been reasonable American allies after we whooped their asses.

reply

THE ELEVEN YEARS I HAD A GRANDFATHER...HE DID A GOOD JOB TEACHING ME A LOT OF HORRIBLE THINGS ABOUT THE JAPANESE PEOPLE...THAT IS NOT WHAT HE CALLED THEM...I LIKE JAPANESE PEOPLE AND LOTS OF MOVIES AND STUFF FROM THEIR COUNTRY...BUT THANKS TO GRANDPA MY FIRST THOUGHT ON THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS AN OUTDATED AND MEAN-SPIRITED ONE...THAT I REALLY DON'T AGREE WITH...BUT IT'S ALWAYS MY FIRST REACTION.

reply

Having visited Japan several times, I can assure you that the culture has changed drastically.

They are possibly the politest and most respectful race I’ve ever encountered. I’m not condoning what happened in the past, but virtually everyone responsible for that dark period in their history are long gone. I can’t see any evidence of them wanting to return to it either.

reply

YES...THAT ENTIRE GENERATION OF AMERICANS ARE GONE NOW TOO...MY GRANDFATHER DIED IN 94...HE TAUGHT ME A LOT OF GREAT THINGS....HE WAS AN ELECTRICIAN,A SHIP BUILDER,A LOVER OF THE OUTDOORS...JUST A GREAT GUY...WHO HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF BEING A FORCED GUEST OF THE JAPANESE DURING THE WAR...IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY NEGATIVE THING HE EVER TAUGHT ME...LMAO...OF COURSE MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A COMPLETE RACIST...YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT SHE CALLED BRAZIL NUTS.🫤

reply

I just watched that movie Unbroken last night, the Japanese were fierce enemies!
Excellent movie.

And LOL! I wonder if my Grannie was more bigoted than yours😄
When she referred to blacks she said ‘coloreds,’ when she talked about Jews she said ‘those people,’ she called Italians ‘Wops or Eyetalians,’ don’t get me started on what she said about gays and Mexicans🙄

My Nanny was wild, she was Irish and she called the Irish ‘drunken Mics,’ she didn’t like them either!

reply

IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR GRANDMOTHERS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ALONG FAMOUSLY...PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE TO TOWN...GOT THEIR HAIR DONE...LUNCH AT 11:30... THEN A FULL AFTERNOON OF LISTENING TO THE POLICE SCANNER AND PLAYING GIN RUMMY.

reply

That sounds about right!

Maybe a nap on the Chaise Lounges under the Maple trees mid afternoon😆

reply

The book is worth reading even if you've seen the movie. Both are terrific.

reply

I’ve heard it’s very good👍

reply

See my response to K below.

reply

You make a perfectly reasonable point, their culture has changed and they’ve behaved.

I’ve never even owned a Japanese car, it was unacceptable in my family. It just was not allowed. Old fashioned, I know, but that’s how I was raised. Can’t help it.

reply

Visiting The Peace Park in Hiroshima was eerie. Seeing The Atomic Dome, which was the old Town Hall at the epicentre of the bomb, with its gnarled and twisted metal girders, set against the bright gleaming modern skyscrapers behind it, was thought provoking.

The brick wall from a school which had a silhouette of a teacher, crouching down to take an apple from a small child, where they had been atomised into the brickwork was truly moving.

I understand full well that it had to be done, and as I have mentioned in the past, my grandfather was part of the British contingent that worked on The Manhattan Project, so I feel a real connection to it all.

I did get to ring the Peace Bell though.

reply

Yeah, I’ve seen the Silhouettes online…a little kid skipping rope, a guy sitting on a bench. Tragic really.

US military planners at the time suggested that a full on invasion of the Japanese home islands could have cost a half million casualties or more on both sides.

It was a terrible thing but sometimes horrible things happen and then everyone just cools it.

reply

It was war. It had to end. It was the only logical way.

reply

I completely agree. Better them than us.

reply

Yeah, my brother bought a Datsun in the late 1970's and my mom would constantly berate him, "from the people that brought us Tora! Tora! Tora!"

reply

I won’t but that’s all In the past now

reply

I do get why they don't allow more migrants as eventually they will become a nothing culture but sooner or later they will have to fix their birth rate or accept that another nation will just come in and take over.

Then again in the future maybe having a lower population will be key to being a successful country as opposed to having too many people.

reply

you can't have a country of all senior citizens.

reply

You can't but they probably figure as long as they keep their race intact they can always come back from it. According to Wikipedia the population as of 2022 was 124,800,000 that's a lot of people in a fairly small country land mass wise.

reply

the population was $128,000,000 in 2010. that's not a good trend.

reply

It's not but it's been a long time coming. I am not an expert but the things I have read about their culture are pretty scary. They are all about work and high stress and a lot of men kill themselves due to it. That along with other factors have made it a family unfriendly nation.

So if not by immigration how do you make them couple up and procreate?

Another interesting thing I read about Japan and immigration even when the people settling are Japanese but born in other countries they still don't like them as the foreign Japanese (for lack of a better term) bring in habits and cultures that clash with the homeland.

So you have that too, a very fussy society.

reply

"Then again in the future maybe having a lower population will be key to being a successful country as opposed to having too many people"

That was my first thought about dropping birth rates. I don't see why a country can't be successful with a smaller population, which would hopefully mean a better standard of living and more jobs available for everyone there... as long as that country is willing to use public funds to care for its elders!

Which won't happen in the US, hordes of American seniors could be looting Walmarts because they can't afford food, and nothing would be done.

reply

I think virtually every country has dropping birth rates at the moment. I don't think it's a bad thing either. In Australia the idiot politicians keep the mass immigration Ponzi scheme going but it was pointed out back in the 80's that countries like Sweden had/have small populations are yet have great lifestyles, at least back then.

I think pushing immigration and multicult is a hard sell given the mess most Western multicult countries are in so I don't blame Japan for wanting to hold the line.

I don't think many countries care for their elderly even more traditional ones. It's one of the reasons why I am happy to never grow old.

reply

japan is goat

reply

" dropped by 800,000 in 2022."


whose to say thats a bad thing ?
theres now a bit more land per person on that little island

reply

lol yeah its already overpopulated as fuck

reply

why not let it fall to 10,000 people. good luck defending itself against china.

reply

I dont think "being the biggest gang on the block" is a valid reason for overpopulating the planet

reply

it's called survival. a country can't survive economically or militarily without a growing population.

reply

well maybe humanity should strive to better itself to remove those two pointless self imposed burdens

reply

tell that to china

reply

In my life time the world population has doubled. We are almost at maximum capacity. Maybe we should stop thinking so much about economics and military and start thinking about what the cost of food will be like when it becomes scarce. Think about how much the world's population will drop then.

reply

And water! For years I've been hearing about an incipient fresh water crisis, as both population growth and climate change use up available fresh water supplies.

No, it makes sense to reduce the world population from every possible POV, except that of the capitalist oligarchs who just want to see more economic growth, and an oversupply of labor to keep wages down. And they're calling far too many of the shots.

reply

china and russia are not listening.

reply

China had a one child rule for like 36 years. So...didn't they?

reply

i was talking militarily. china's population has peaked and russia's is declining.

reply

I'm talking about how the world's population has doubled in my lifetime. They don't know how many people the world can hold, but if we keep growing there won't be enough food. Especially if the climate keeps changing (human caused or not). Military won't matter as much if everyone is starving.

reply

It's true, Japan is one of the most densely populated countries on Earth, and I've heard that there's been a lot of national debate over Japan's capacity to feed itself. Rice fields are protected from development (don't ask me for details), because they are justifiably afraid of being the country whose food is all shipped or flown in from elsewhere.

reply

My kids are half japanese. Im in abiko on vacation right now. I dont know shit about japan. But i enjoy time spent here , everyone is so polite and courteous. A huge respect for public facilities and spaces i don't see in my home of surrey bc canada. I dunno every country has issues, im rooting for japan to come out on top in what ever race we are running in.
But yea what the fuck yah gonna do

reply

Japan is one of my favourite countries that I’ve been to.

reply

better to have a smaller, leaner population and keep your culture and safety then import a bunch of third world minorities and become a dangerous shithole. spend the last couple months in Europe and it feels way more ghetto than even Murica these days. They dont even have gunrights, so I feel ten times more vulnerable then I do in the States. Japan is a beautiful and magical place, I hope they are smart enough not to let the libturds ruin that for them...

reply

It’s not lean and mean though. Because of the evaporating birth rate, 40% of the Japanese population are senior citizens. It’s a staggering figure. I’m sympathetic to some of your other observations though.

reply