de niro vs. mitchum


Why I liked the original better: Robert de Niro ACTED scary, Robert Mitchum WAS scary. Makes all the difference in the world.

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I seem to remember a documentary about Mitchum in which Gregory Peck told how he asked Mitchum to play the part of Max Cady and Mitchum said no, he'd have to find someone else. So Peck said, okay Bob, help me out here, try to think about someone who can play it as well as you can. And Mitchum thought for about fifteen seconds and then said, all right, I'll do it.

Then later on Polly Bergen (who played Peck's wife) told the interviewer about the scene where Mitchum was harassing her in the boat, and it seems that Mitchum suddenly crossed the line between acting and being, and he really pushed her around and grabbed her arms so tight that she ended up with several bruises - he actually scared her. Afterwards he apologized profusely to her, but what you see in this scene is not an actor playing a scene but a man entering the darkness in himself and coming up with, well, not a performance but an actual piece of brutality.

Perhaps that is why Mitchum did not want to do the part. Maybe he just was not interested in another Night of the hunter-psycho-baddie, but then again maybe he knew what lurked inside himself and he was afraid of giving it a free rein.

Whatever the reason, Mitchum played it down to earth while De Niro went over the top on this one. Which can be fun, but is also more theatrical and (in this instance) less effective.

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De Niro had an impossible task, and I don't really know why he accepted it. Gutsy, perhaps, but the whole thing was prgrammed for failure. Certainly he realized that he couldn't do what Mitchum did -- no one could. I watch the performance and still don't quite understand how he so fully personifies this slack, unhurried evil. The performance is rightly a recognized classic. No other character in a film has ever made my skin crawl the way Mitchum's does. So De Niro took a different route, as he had to. In some scenes, it's pretty darn effective. But the best he or anyone else could hope for was second best. And the fact that he's trying too hard shows through in some scenes. Some movies simply don't need to be re-made. I don't care how good an actor is, no one is going to better Bogart in The Maltese Falcon or or Gary Cooper in High Noon, or Robert Mitchum in Cape Fear.

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It was not necessary for a remake, but since it was made, it was actually quite good. It was enjoyable though over-the-top in some ways. The remake had more sub-plots but fortunately didn't overshadow the main plot.

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I agree with those who think Mitchum gave the better performance. He was truly creepy, and Mitchum's scenes with the young daughter were actually much more shocking because she seemed so much younger than Juliette Lewis, who played the daughter in the remake. That scene where Lewis was sucking DeNiro's thumb didn't make her seem all that innocent and vulnerable. I thought Polly Bergen did a fair job as Gregory Peck's wife, too.
Robert DeNiro is a great actor, I'm sure most of us agree about that...but Robert Mitchum was truly fierce in "Cape Fear", while DeNiro was way over the top.

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I just watched the 91 version of it and De Niro creeped me out.When I see the 62 one I'll make my decision.

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DeNiro's acting is downright amateurish compared to Mitchum's.

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De Niro was way too hammy and histrionic to make for a scary and convincing Max Cady. Mitchum was a lot more believable and unnerving because of the quiet sense of constant seething menace he naturally projected by deftly underplaying the role of Max Cady.

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What about Marky Mark as the psychopat ?


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Being an older member of the board I'll stick with Mitch...(But I do like The other Bobs work)

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Robert Mitchum, he was truly a frightening figure...Robert De Niro, ha! He's a laugh...and his character wasn't scary in the least, just animalistic, and barbaric, but all that a horrifying character does not make. Robert Mitchum, he was just intimidating as hell and you knew it had to be put up with because he knew his way around the law after being an inmate of it for so long.

Besides, you have to consider this, in the original version, Robert Mitchum was coming after Gregory Peck because he didn't think he deserved to be locked up...in the remake, Robert De Niro was screwed over BY the attorney, that guy practically signed up for that. But to be a guy who just did what he had to do, and there's no double cross there at all, it's just pure revenge for not being able to do as he pleased. The first version is scarier because Gregory Peck is basically an innocent bystander of a Good Samaritan...but the new Sam Bowden, he knew what he was getting into with pretending to be on Max Cady's side, then turning on him.

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Deffinatly Robert michum, i saw the second cape fear and even before i saw the first i thought that the performance was beafed up. When i saw the first i was hooked. it was my first screen crush on mitchum, not because he was swooning or dashing but because he was primitive, aggresive and HOT. i just found him so much more beleivable than deniro, its so suggestive in the first about what he did tohis wife, what he would ave done to polly bergen had he chosen her, or what he was goin to do to lori martins character. the daughter in the second cape fear is so much less innocent also, she seems to like cady and is attracted to him, lori martins character is so innocent and vunerable and when she is confronted by him she seemed truly terrified and almost unaware of what would happen to her if he got his way, same with polly bergen in the boat scene, when mitchum 'confronted' her and smears the egg over her, she IS scared. she is terrified, Mitchum isn't acting anymore, he is cady, confronting an attracive women who doesn't want him, forcing himself apon her and blackmailing her into propositioning him. It is the suggestiveness and the tension, the fear of what is lurking in the shadows, Deffinaly MITCHUM!!!!!!!!!!

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you said it! mitchum oozed menace, de niro tried to be menacing. big difference.

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I really preferred Mitchum's version, but after reading about a hundred posts on the subject here (notice that it's almost the only topic?) -- I'm starting to look on everything a bit differently.

ALso -- being older and having a friend who tells great Mitchum anecdotes -- my preference is too biased to mean squat. After a really sleazy night of partying in the 50s my friend walked in on Mitchum in a bathroom, brushing his teeth. They carried on a conversation for several minutes, which is only remarkable because while Mitchum was talking & cleaning his pearly teeth there was a naked young lady doing her absolute utmost to ... clean his pipes, so to speak. My friend said it was a bit surreal, but none of the various activies suffered in the least from being shared.

I cannot help but admire a man who can do multi-tasking like that.

Sleaze aside --

I like both versions a lot. I also think a lot of the younger film viewers suffer a bit from their youth. The black-and-white 50s, where most men wore suits and hats on the street and the likelihood of even hearing "Damn" in mixed company was near zero.... different times, to be sure, and it probably doesn't seem very real to someone born with a remote in their hand and who doesn't remember when a card sorter was the zenith of information technology.

Normally a person of rudely strong opinions -- always correct, too -- I seldom think that both sides are close to right. Here, however, I think it is.

I think both Scorsese and DeNiro understood that a remake remaining "true" to Mitchum's performance would be the wrong move, both commercially (not wild or racy enough for the under-40 crowd) and because it would be seen, not incorrectly, as just a copycat version with no real personal stamp on it from anyone. If it were going to be done, it should be done with a somewhat different take on it, and since we're moving forward in time 30 years, the people, and especially the portrayal of a scary ex-con, needed to reflect modern times. After some pondering, and reflecting on other updates from the 40s and 50s, I think it was the right approach, and probably is as good a remake as could be done. Period. By expecting a copycat performance we're being unrealistic and basically cheating ourselves (not to mention DeNiro and Scorsese).

Personally, I'd give a lot to see what DeNiro, or maybe Gary Oldman, or Christopher Walken could have done with the Max Cady role, underplayed like Mitch did. I suspect they could have done something really admirable, though forever doomed to a point-by-point comparison with Mitchum's performance. I think it COULD have worked. MIGHT have been spectacular, though risky.

Someday, when computer graphics are a few generations beyond the current, I believe we'll be able to see how other actors might have handled different roles, based on stored & catalogued examples of their voice, expression, etc., and creatively manipulated by a whole new category of specialists. With a bit of luck I might live to see it, if the freakin' lawyers wrangling over estates and image copyrights don't drag it out for another forty years.

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I agree entirely with the original post. De Niro was good, very good. But Mitchum was better.

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I don't understand why this is being discussed. Thompson's Cape Fear, or should I say Mitchum's Cape Fear, is a classic, even though I am a much bigger fan of Night of the Hunter. Mitchum is truly scary in both of these films usually is remembered for them in particular. As for Scorsese's take on Cape, it is just too silly and dated that it is now a debacle. Nolte is not convincing, Deniro isn't very scary, and Jessica Lange and Juliette Lewis are just flat out bad. I don't know why anyone would ask if Deniro is better than Mitchum. Mithcum is clearly the better killer, or con artist (Night of the Hunter).

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De Niro.

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geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i cannot understand how some1 could possibly think that De Niro is scarier than mitchum! its insane!

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While the roles portrayed the same character in the (not completely) same story, there were significant differences in the characters and in the story that makes it difficult to compare the two.

Max Cady in the 1962 version was a...simpler character. He was an unpredictable convict with revenge in mind. If I remember correctly, the pretense wasn't even the same. 1962 Cape Fear had Sam Bowden as the witness to a crime that Cady committed. Cady is a "badass", and nothing even momentarily redeems him from that.

The remake however, had Sam Bowden at significant (debatable) fault as well, somewhat justifying Cady's behavior as righteous fury. Cady in the remake was also highly philosophical, spiritual, and an all-round more in-depth and intricate character.

Both actors performed the roles given to them with utter brilliance, and nothing short of it. I, however, like the remake ALOT more than the original, as the story is MUCH more complex, as is Cady's character, and therefore I would be biased in saying that DeNiro's performance was better than Mitchum's - it asked for alot more.

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There is a valuable difference between main ideas of both films despite the common plots and titles. Peck's Bowden is strong, respectable and positive man that has got into heavy circumstances trying to save innocent victim, while Bowden portrayed by Nolte is corruptive lawyer possessing the right to decide what kind of case documents may be revealed to court and what to be hidden away. Nolte's Bowden is serving not his client but the symbol of "justice" as he understands it. So if old movie presented explicit opposition between some "kind" and "evil" lads, the new one shows conflict of bad and worse. And the more DeNiro's hero feels the weakness and vulnerability of his opponent the stronger becomes his own righteous position. The terrific punishment carried by Bowden in 1992 movie doesn't seem so scaring and groundless like in original story, and it was intended by Scorsese because the time has changed. As a result the accidental death of DeNiro's Cady looks almost "pure coincidence" because he leaves as a winner of two evil figures' combat. So any try to compare those two movies, two problems and even playing quality of two actors seems a meaningless to me.

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mitchum by far, de niro is one of my favourite actors ever but he overacted big time i found him to over the top and trying to hard to be menacing wheras mitchum made it look easy, he was far more creepier

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how can u say that mitchum wasn't even unnerving??
what is it that does it for you where De Niro is concerned and not mitchum??

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