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So who is avoiding this?


I'm certainly not gonna watch this. I was fine with the first three seasons of "Rebels," but after "Boba Fett," I was cured of watching any more Disney Star Wars fanfics. I was never a fan of Ahsoka anyway.

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I'm a fan of the Ahsoka story more than anything. It's been an adventure. I like the other characters more than her. Sabine and Chopper are my faves. I watched Clone Wars, then Rebels. I never cared for Boba Fett, maybe you should've skipped it.

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YOU SEEM VERY UHAPPY...EVERY POST IS NEGATIVE...PERHAPS POST MORE ABOUT THINGS YOU LIKE.

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Ahsoka is my favorite character and I like Rosario, but I think she sucks as Ahsoka. It's something to watch. Sucks, but Star Wars isn't special anymore. It's something I pass the time with.

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WHEN WAS IT SPECIAL?...THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE ONLY CONTAINS TWO MOVIES ONE COULD QUALIFY AS EPIC OR SPECIAL...AND BOTH OF THEM ARE 40 YEARS OLD.

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I guess when I watched the OT over and over again for my whole life. And played the awesome as balls video games. And read all the delicious novels. And enjoyed the hell out of Clone Wars.

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SO THE MID 80S...THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

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But those good movies were pretty good! I actually just watched the whole trilogy the other day. With commercial breaks! My first time seeing the special version of ROTJ. Yoiks.

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Yeah, so there was a time when it was special, and that's he said.

Damn, some people are really dumb.

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AWW...FIVE DAYS LATER AND YOU COME UP WITH "SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY DUMB"...HOW CUTE.🙂

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Sorry, your stalker is THAT way.

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THAT'S COOL...SAY...HAVE YOU EVER BOUGHT PORNOGRAPHY FROM A YARD SALE?

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And played the awesome as balls video games


Which ones have you played and on what platform?

For me KoTOR 1 & 2 are still the best of the lot, although I also love the old Battlefronts (esp. 2), Jedi Academy, Revenge of the Sith, Republic Commando and less so The Force Unleashed 1&2 and SW Jedi fallen order.

I'd LOVE to play a remake of KoTOR 1&2 with current day graphics and engine.

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Kotor 1 and 2 and Outcast are really good.

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So it's just something you run in the background, rather than pay attention to?

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You should at least check out the ending credits song. It's amazing. On a side note, the show is pretty good though short.

https://youtu.be/pCbLHR2HkiQ?si=WiE-SwfrL7UGdard

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sounds like game of thones

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Yeah, I don't get these slow, turgid music scores. They're just depressing. And, you are exactly right. One composer just does what all the other ones have done.

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She just seems like she's bored out of her mind. Why is she doing the character this way? And, why is Dave Filoni OKAY with her doing the character this way? It's nothing like Ahsoka was before. Also, the writing is flat, the action is mostly flat, it just drags on and on. We can only hope that something worthwhile happens in the second half of this.

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I was one of the biggest drum beaters for Dave taking over but he can't do live action. He's a big idea guy. He's not a film maker.

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I guess that Jon Favreau is either too busy with "The Mandalorian" or wanted to let Filoni do "Ahsoka" by himself. If it is the latter, it was definitely a mistake. I am sure that most directors of fan films could have done better.

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If ya listen to some of the more insane youtube ranters about KK they're all out on their asses not working at all.

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I think I will watch it now;-)

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I hope you like being disappointed.

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How would you know... have you watched it?

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I know Disney/Lucasfilm. They have a track record of ruining Star Wars, and I heard all about how bad it was. I also saw clips and shots of it online and on youtube, and heard from others just what was ruined in the story. It's how I prevent that kind of garbage being dumped into my head. I was done with Disney/Star Wars after that lousy Boba Fart show.

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You spend a large amount of time worrying about something you don't want to watch... and then you still watch clips online... Take an anger management class or something it would be a better use of your time:-)

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Nah. I just use Kowalski as a punching bag if I need anger management. He's a messed up masochist, so he enjoys it.

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And you are so much better setting up a trick question just so you can go down the "hurr ya need help durr!" lane of uncalled for personal attacks. So useful and constructive and it completely destroyed her point and sure changed her mind on top of that. Good job!

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I didn't set out to change anybody's mind... I just find it funny when people complain about shows they haven't even watched...

Do you think it is contructive to complain about something you haven't even watched?

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Of course, if someone has seen other media about it like articles, reviews and so on, why not?

There are a few movie review channels out there I know I can "trust" because they share my general taste and usually complain about or praise the same things I do in movies. And if one of these show me how incredibly flawed Ahsoka is for many reasons, why would it be "funny" to complain about these proven flaws? Do the flaws change when I see them in person?
The difference is the same in the end.

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That is a weird take... so because you have seen someone else complain about something... you just adapt their take and start complaing about it... even without having seen it yourself?

That really sums up what is wrong with the world today.

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No, you're conflating and exaggerating with zero differentiation.
According to your logic, you cannot condemn the crusades or the Muslim expansion either, because all you know is what others told you about it.

Ever been a cattle slave in a concentration camp?
Maybe they aren't so bad?
Oh no wait, they absolutely fucking are and we know this because people told us and we have seen the footage.

It's a garbage logic, to be honest and has nothing at all to do with why the world is wrong today.

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Did you even read the nonsense you just wrote... How could you even compaire anything I wrote to some historical events...

Then you even mess up your whole point by saying "we have seen the footage"... the issue here is AmeriGirl26 hadn't seen the footage (TV Show) but just complained anyways...

And again this has nothing to do with any historical events... you can condemn any of the human atrocities done throughout history all you want... Just don't waste our time bitching about TV shows you haven't even watched.

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But I can bitch perfectly fine about TV shows even though I haven't watched them if I have seen enough about them to know I fucking hate them.

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Sure... but don't expect anybody to take you seriously.

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How the holy hell can you bitch about a show you havent watched lol, unless you're a bitch? Bizarre unstable behaviour. Anyhow you should watch Ahsoka, its really good.

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"Unstable"? Lol.

I have watched multiple reviews and read enough articles about it. Meaning, I have already seen everything I need to see to know I will not enjoy the show.
I am happy for you and your boytoy up there that you enjoy such underwhelming writing and it might be difficult for you to understand, but there are people that do not put up with shitty writing where one contradiction chases the other and half the cast consists of insufferable characters designed for what is nowadays called "modern audiences".

No thanks, I'm good.
You go enjoy your dumb as fuck writing and political pandering as much as you want.

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But you havent watched it the writing is good?

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Is that English?
What are you trying to say?

Are you saying the writing is good?
Are you asking if the writing is good?

If you cannot even form a coherent sentence, why would I take your opinion on writing serious at all? Anyone claiming Ahsoka has "good writing" clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about anyways.

- Captain's risk their ships for no reason to obvious traps they're even warned about.
- Killer droids tasked to recover an important item suddenly consider destroying said item by self-destruction to be a good idea when the task was retrieval.
- Lightsabers don't do shit anymore (established earlier in other Disney failures)
- Female characters are all cool, tough and smug as fuck because "the message!"
- Everyone standing around with their arms crossed all the time.
- Odd dialogues etc. etc.

Why the FUCK would I watch a whole show of this sort of garbage!?
Obviously I know enough about this show to form an educated opinion on it.

So your original argument, if one can call it that, is moot.

Get lost.

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Cry me a river dick face

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Let me run your attempt of a comment through a translator.........

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Ah yes:
"Shit, you have a point, I do not and now I look like a fool. SMOKESCREEN ACTIVATED!"

Nice try.

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Dude you sound like an absolute prick, seriously chill the fuck out for 11 seconds, don't let a tv show upset you so much, leave this to real star wars fans and you go watch your shit, whatever thst is, good day sir , tosser

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You keep proving my point, are you a masochist?

You are also struggling to understand the situation. I am not upset about the TV show, I am mostly indifferent about it. However, I am rather annoyed by dumb fucks like you who come to a fight unarmed and then whine about getting beaten up.

As for "real Star Wars fans"... please, don't make me laugh with your "true Scotsman" bullshit fallacy.

Stop embarrassing yourself man. Deliver, or fuck off.

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NO...YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT...YOU JUST RAMBLE ON AND ON ABOUT THINGS YOU HAVE NOT SEEN...WHICH IS NOT COMPARABLE TO HISTORIC ATROCITIES IN ANY WAY...WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT AN ARTFORM...YOU CANNOT HAVE AN INFORMED OPINION ON ART WITHOUT VIEWING THE ART...PERIOD.

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Sounds like we have another Keelair on our hands. I wouldn't bother arguing with him, Kendricks. He sounds like another idiot that laps up all the shit the movie studios poops out and then tells the rest of us it's chocolate, and then deflects his stupidity onto the rest of us when we don't fall for it. You may as well block the dumb shit.

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Yeah it is hard to argue with someone when you don't have any good arguments... Then just block them so you can live in your own little fairy world where averybody agrees with your nonsense...

I haven't even said if I like it it... just that I would watch it... but you apparently don't like if someone questions your opinions... that is fine but maybe you should stay away from the internet...

If it makes you feel better I can tell you I hated the Book of Boba Fett and the 3rd season of The Mandalorian... I did like the 2 episodes of The Book of Boba Fett where The main character (Boba) wasn't involved... with tells us a lot about why that show was mainly awful...

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Rich for someone who didn't deliver a single argument.
At least, I explained myself and tried to make you understand why what I said makes perfect sense.
You only dismiss everything - that's not an argument though, nor does it seem clever.

But yeah, tell us more about fairy worlds, you seem to be some sort of expert here.

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You are delusional... nothing you have said makes any sense.

My argument is very simple... why criticize/complain about something you haven't even watched...

Just let it go... it seems desperate and even sad to go on about something you have decided not to watch...

Discuss stuff you have watched it makes so much more sense.

And Kendricks say hi to Tinkerbell when you see her:-)

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I am not going on and on about something I do not intend to watch, I am responding to your stupid comments because you continue to pretend that basing one's opinion on reviews and similar information is somehow not valid but you fail to explain why and only play your broken record instead.

Explain to me, where is the difference between watching the series as a whole and hating it for reasons A, B and C, compared to seeing just bits and pieces of it and hating it for the same reaons, A, B and C.

You can't, of course.

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I cannot explain it to you because you just don't get it...

I would never criticize something I haven't watched myself, because I don't have the complete picture... I might choose not to watch something based on reviews, but would never go out a bash it, as it would make no sense...

Don't you want to form your own opinion? And if you don't why bother spending time bashing it???

It is exaxtly the problem with the world today (as I wrote earlier) that people talk about stuff based on half truths and other people's opinions... if you want to comment on something do your homework or shut up.

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"I would never criticize something I haven't watched myself, because I don't have the complete picture... I might choose not to watch something based on reviews, but would never go out a bash it, as it would make no sense..."

It makes perfect sense and I explained multiple times now why so.
You refusing or failing to understand this, is not my problem.

And I DO have my own opinion, I do not see why you keep pretending I just copy someone else's opinion, it's almost like you're deliberate misunderstanding my reasoning at this point because you know you'd had to admit I was right from the start.

Again:
WHERE is the difference when I watch a review that highlights issue A, B and C and draw a conclusion based on these things that might be important to me, compared to watching the whole thing and STILL saying "but A, B and C".

There is none, of course.
I already said, even if the rest of the show would be "good" - the issues named are enough for me to come to a conclusion. Why is that so difficult to grasp for you?

What half truths and other peoples "opinions"?
Why do you keep going on about "opinions"?
It's never been about opinions, it's about facts.
Like these:

- Captain's risk their ships for no reason to obvious traps they're even warned about.
- Killer droids tasked to recover an important item suddenly consider destroying said item by self-destruction to be a good idea when the task was retrieval.
- Lightsabers don't do shit anymore (established earlier in other Disney failures)
- Female characters are all cool, tough and smug as fuck because "the message!"
- Everyone standing around with their arms crossed all the time.
- Odd dialogues etc. etc.

The above alone, which I gathered from reviews, is enough for me to form my own opinion that the show has dog shit writing and I want nothing to do with it.
So much for my "homework".

You have no point, no argument and no ground to stand on other than your petty attempts to put words into my mouth and twist the topic into something it never was about. Just stop this, it's petty as fuck.

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YOU JUST DETAILED WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD...HALF ASSED OPINIONS GLEAMED FROM BIASED SECONDHAND INFORMATION...AND DEFENDED TO THE DEATH AS IF HEARSAY IS SCRIPTURE.

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There is no helping him... he just used the word facts about his own opinions...

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The OP and Kendricks are both mental midgets not worth talking to.

Signed , million man.

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Yes but you are doing the wrong "homework"... you are copying others and hoping they are right... they might be... but you don't know...

I am not even saying that I don't agree with some of your opinions or should I say other people's opinions (which you wrongly calls facts)...

I am not failing to understand anything... It is you who doesn't understand that your arguments makes no sense... you can keep repeating them but it doesn't make them anymore true...

Didn't you admit you haven't watched the show... so no matter how much you trust the opinion of A, B & C... it is still blind trust...

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"Yes but you are doing the wrong "homework"... you are copying others and hoping they are right... they might be... but you don't know..."
What... no.
I am not "copying" anyone.
It's not about them being "right", I am talking about them showing certain scenes and then I can see for myself why they fucking suck. You keep riding on this "other opinion fantasy train" of yours that never existed in the first place.

"I am not even saying that I don't agree with some of your opinions or should I say other people's opinions (which you wrongly calls facts)..."
I'm not calling anything wrongly facts, I am pointing out irrefutable writing issues, the Droid example might perhaps the best one and there's no way anyone can defend this sort of obvious error. Clearly the writers wanted "a big explosion for the hero to run from" and completely contradicted EVERYTHING that happened prior to this. That's not defensible in any way and is, thus, a fact.

"I am not failing to understand anything..."
When in reality, you continue to do so...
See my previous post, see this post, ... and probably the next.

"you can keep repeating them but it doesn't make them anymore true... "
You claiming my arguments that you fail to grasp make no sense also doesn't mean they make no sense, as you give zero explanation - and you won't, because you can't. You repeating your points that are besides what I am actually saying is irrelevant. Once you actually understood my argument you will see... until then, you will probably keep making the same claim I already debunked multiple times.

"Didn't you admit you haven't watched the show... so no matter how much you trust the opinion of A, B & C... it is still blind trust... "
Dude how DENSE can you be?

For the last fucking time, it ain't about OPINION.
A, B and C are not OPINIONS, they are nameless examples for ISSUES I have with the show, some I have named ind detail.
What exactly they are is basically irrelevant because it is 100% up to me anyways.

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So you saw a clip and now you know everything... the sums up your entire argument...

We will never agree and I really hope you don't end up in a job where you have to make important decisions... because you logic is flawed...

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Still lapping up the shit, I see. Keep it up, maybe the E.Coli will teach you that you're not watching quality stuff after a few bad infections. Toodles.

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Well I watch whatever I want... I don't need angry internet warriors to decide for me... The funny thing is how much you care... You even have your little lapdog Kendricks calling me a cunt... I bet he have never called anybody a cunt to their face... but he does have big internet balls...

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Well, that's... eww... but also very accurate, yes.
By now, I am just afraid I am running out of room in my dungeon. I blocked so many useless idiots on this page over the years it might get crowded down there by now... ah well, not my problem, KOWALSKI can sort them all out and YELL AT THEM ALL DAY LONG. xD

PS: Also, I usually only block people that are pointless to talk with, who are just trolling and being abrasive on purpose with no real interest in whatever the topic is. It's a waste of time so I delete them. The idea is that at some point the board predominantly exists of people that are at least able to have a discussion about something, while the rest just screams into the void, unheard.

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It is so funny you would even block anybody... but I guess it is easier than explaining your nonsense...

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Why would it be "funny" that anyone blocks someone after that person has proven to be completely useless? What is the point of a discussion board, if not discussion?
Why would I not block trolls? Actual trolls, I mean, not in the leftist-sense of th word where a troll/racist/nazi is literally anyone who disagrees with me.

I even described what sort of people I block, yet you continue to pretend I block anyone who's just disagreeing with me. That was never the case and never will. And as you can see, I did not block you either.

The fact however that you fail to grasp that and automatically assume so, speaks volumes about yourself...

As for my "nonsense", I already explained it.
What is unclear here?
Why is it so difficult for you to understand anything I said so far?
And why is it my fault you struggle with it?
(It isn't)

Just fucking stop being such a pointless cunt already, what do you even want at this point?!

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What have you actually explained? That it is okay to bitch and whine about shows you haven't even watched...

I don't think there is anything more pointless than that...

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As for an explanation:
When I watched multiple YT reviews from film critics I "trust" (same opinions on things etc.) and SEE what is wrong with the series in form of a load of examples... how is that "funny" or what you actually mean, unreasonable?

How is it pointless if I base my opinion on such information?
Would it make some sort of magic difference to watch the whole series and then come to the same conclusion over the same issues I already knew beforehand?
Or are you implying that I would consider the series good even if all the rest would be somehow not as flawed as the things I have seen?

You make no sense.

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As I wrote in my other comment... it is fine to use reviews, articles, clips etc., to decide if you want to watch something... I would assume most of us do that...

But if you want to talk and discuss something... please take the time to at least watch it...

It would be the same if I joined a book club... didn't read the agreed book... and showed up at said it sucked... When the other memebers then ask my why... I said because my friend who I trust said so???

If you cannot see a problem with that... then I cannot help you... Do you wanna go around living your life based on what other people think?

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"It would be the same if I joined a book club... didn't read the agreed book... and showed up at said it sucked... When the other memebers then ask my why... I said because my friend who I trust said so???"

But that's not what's happening.

My reasoning is not "because my friend told me so".
My reason is "because I know about issue A, B and C.

It's not about the source, it's about the material.

And you didn't answer my question, so I will ask again:
Would it make some sort of magic difference to watch the whole series and then come to the same conclusion over the same issues I already knew beforehand?


"If you cannot see a problem with that... then I cannot help you..."
Before you worry about helping others, help yourself.
You didn't even grasp my point and then drew a completely wrong conclusion ("friend told me so"), so maybe work on yourself first if you want to see any progress here...

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To answer your question: Yes it would make a huge difference if you had watched the show you are actually criticizing...

You are probably right that it wouldn't change anything as you are already so baised against the show that you wouldn't even admit if you liked it... but at least you would have watched it and that would matter to me...

I am sorry my example was a bit simplistic... but it was just to show that your argument makes no sense... If you want to comment on something please read the book, watch the show, go to the lecture etc.

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Ah yes, sure, so the issues I have with the show are basically just unreasonable because of my "bias" and for some reason you decide if my reasons are valid or not, got it.

Just go fuck yourself man, you're either too stupid or too stubborn and I am done wasting all my crayons on such a dumb motherfucker.

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You really are a sad person... do you even know how to communicate to other people... or are your only skill to call people dumb... Or is that just what you do when you run out of arguments?

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PS: Also, I usually only block people that are pointless to talk with, who are just trolling and being abrasive on purpose with no real interest in whatever the topic is.


INCORRECT...I AM NOT TROLLING I AM NOT ABRASIVE ON PURPOSE AND I HAVE INTEREST IN ALL FILMS AND TV SHOWS...YOU IGNORE PEOPLE SO YOU CAN PRETEND NOBODY DISAGREES WITH YOUR MORE CREEPER THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS.

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How have the ruined atar wars? Did youtube tell you that? Rogue one, epic, tfa very good, tlj crap, tros mid, solo very good, mandolrian excellent, , boba fett mid, obi wan good, andor epic, ahsoka so far very good.

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You are in absolutely no position whatsoever to attack anyone's opinion when you consider Rogue One to be "epic", let alone call Mandalorian, a show that dropped the ball so very hard so early to continue to solely focus on the most uninspired, dumb fan service and Kennedy's "the force is female" mantra "excellent". Zero.

Obi-Wan was also a catastrophe, almost nobody liked it - I guess they all just watched a guy on YT telling them so, right? But you, with your impeccable taste for the art of film know better. You know that Ahsoka so far is "very good". Lol.

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Rogue one is considered to be the best star wars movie released sine return of the jedi, mandalorian season 1 and 2 again highly rated, ok season 3 was a let down, obi one is good, not great, especially the climax, and ahsoka is getting a lot of love as per the high ratings, yeh id say my opinion is absolutely spot on, good day to you sir.

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To say "but Rogue One was the best since RotJ!" is misleading, and considering your snake like behavior, probably deliberately so. OF COURSE it was the best movie since RotJ because everything in between was garbage as well. And yes, overall Rogue One was solid and had great moments - but it also has heavy flaws which it is criticized for and to still call such a movie "epic" doesn't exactly make me take you serious at all.

Mando completely crashed and burned ever since and that's pretty much consens among fans - there's a reason for the absolute majority of reviews are negative (speaking of non-mainstream reviews that don't need to bend over to Kennedy's "the force is female" ideology which becomes hilariously apparent from S03 onwards. And the rest? Is dumb fan service.)

"Obi-Wan is good"
Amazing review... I am sure there's nothing else to it. It's simply "good" and that's it... let's ignore the again terrible ratings, lol.

Ahsoka is only getting love from indoctrinated viewers who try to turn TV and movies into politics. Same with the aforementioned movies. That's the problem.

If you're a soy milk loving rainbow flag waving femboi, I am not surprised you LOVE Ahsoka and the other trash, but normal people are just fed up with political indoctrination attempts through their favorite franchises.

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So you dont enjoy ahsoka because it has female characters, im so sorry the female species intimidates you.

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Ah yes, very clever comment. Why not add something something basement and incel to it to tick all the boxes?

And when you're done, maybe - although I doubt it - you might come up with an actual argument instead of the cheapest, most petty strawman you could think of.

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Why would i want to argue with you, ive given my opinion, poster said star wars was ruined by disney i said its not, case closed, good day to you.

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"Shit, my teenager style debate tactics consisting of the most boring personal attacks don't work... time to pretend I am just so above it all, tehehe."

Understood. You are excused.

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YOU ARE THE ONE LEVELING PERSONAL ATTACKS ON PEOPLE...I SAW YOU CALL SOMEONE A C*NT IN A POST ABOVE...YOU NEED TO RELAX.

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AMERIGUY DOES NOT WATCH ANYTHING...INSTEAD THEY FORM HARSH OPINIONS BASED ON HEARSAY AND RUN WITH IT.

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Check out the Ending Credits theme.

https://youtu.be/pCbLHR2HkiQ?si=WiE-SwfrL7UGdard

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Probably most Mandalorian fans, except the Incels.
Personally I'd prefer a Jedi Jar Jar Binks movie in the sytle of Team America.

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You should watch andor, epic series, yes boba fett was mid, but thats one bad series out of 4, ashoka is good, very good,give it a chance.

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I'll watch it eventually. I still haven't watched Boba Fett or the Mandalorian. I'm going to wait until those shows finish, then watch those, then this. I just don't feel the excitement or need to watch SWs like I used to, but I'll get around to it!

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First season of Mandalorian is great, second season is kinda dull, third season is a mixed bag. If you wanta see a better story for Boba Fett, look up the EU books about him. The storyline they wrote for him a few decades ago made more sense than what Disney/Lucasfilm did.

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I gave the first episode a shot because Andor was so good (minus the flashbacks), but won't be watching any more.

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