Did he kill Caleb?


Did he?

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Of course he killed him. Whilst the ending doesn't explicitly state so, I'm sure he did, and that he had to! I'm convinced Caleb would have killed Loomis otherwise. Caleb was overly keen to start, and then finish the 'water project' at which point he would have disposed of Loomis shortly thereafter. The home would then have had power and he and Ann a decent chance at survival. Whether he cared for Ann is suspect, but Loomis would only have been a threat either way, and Caleb wanted to survive too (which only adds to the point that he wouldn't just leave, and likely to his quick death). So Loomis had to kill him, or that's how I see it, and I got the impression Ann knew Caleb was dead.

Aside the moment Caleb appears to point his gun at the back of Loomis' head, I think the story about the mine, if any truth to it, may well have been that Caleb was the one that killed the others to survive... As I said, he had to kill Caleb.





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Dude, remove the spoiler in your title.


That's the thing about life...nobody gets out alive.

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Second that!

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who reads forums about a movie they have not seen, one would read a review about a movie but not the forum section of people discussing it thats just common sense

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Conversely, the empty fridge revealed (once Loomis reappeared, that is) that Caleb did in fact take food for his journey.


The fridge was empty because Ann had stopped using it once the power was gone.


"But why is the rum gone?"

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 Then why would she have opened it and pulled the dismayed face she did, as if something there - it being empty - wasn't what she expected to see?

Because she was surprised that it was running. The electricity was working. That's why she started switching the lights on.

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Exactly

"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"

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"The fridge was empty because Ann had stopped using it once the power was gone


Huh? Then why would she have opened it and pulled the dismayed face she did, as if something there - it being empty - wasn't what she expected to see? ...And why then, at the end, would such an irrelevant scene (if using your proposition) be used?"



Wow. Someone really wasn't paying attention.

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I imagine the fridge was making noise which alerted her to it being on, then opening it to confirm - seeing the light work. Surprised/happy the power is working. Also her opening it and the light etc is a good way to show the audience that the power is working.

Unless you can point to another moment in the film where they show the fridge with food in it I don't think its a sign Caleb took anything. Why wouldn't he take all his other stuff too?


Take me as I am, or leave me the way you found me

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She opened it when she heard the compressor kick on and she checked to determine if it was getting cold. The light was on and she seemed rather content that soon it would be filled with perishable food. It also inspired her to turn on the rest of the lights.

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When John went back to the house he said that Caleb was leaving to Anson, and told Anna that Caleb said that she would welcome if he was gone or leaving. After all Caleb said that he was not believed that John was a jealousy person that statement considered that John was alright or okay with Caleb being there and stayed for a long time, but Caleb didn't believed that.

And also when John said that Ann would welcome if Caleb would gone Ann doesn't reacted anything at all or there were no suspicious condition or mimic from her face that were meant Ann already knew when Caleb said that.

So the conclusion is Caleb was gone to Anson with John suit.

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Loomis definitely killed Caleb. There is no way Caleb would have voluntarily left such a perfect situation in order to put himself in a most likely certain death situation. Ann had chosen him. Both he and Loomis knew it and that's why they both knew Loomis was already the third wheel.

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Wow! SUPER spoilery thread title, dude.

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That's a discussion thread!! NOT A REVIEW :)

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lol, that's why the message board is not onscreen on the movie page; people have to scroll down and click on a link.

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i think when he save his life celab have a shock what just happened.who he thinks that hate him save his life. he thinks that he own him something the best thing to do is go away he knows that anna doesn't love him all that stuff so that's why he left. if loomis want him dead he left the rope on the first time celab left with the suit i think. celab left his stuff there because he don't want that anna notice that and ask him and stop him...

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Compliance was amazing, shocked this is by the same director!! This was so bland.

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I perfectly agree with you. At first, I thought it was pretty obvious that he killed Caleb. But come think of it, the fact that he saved Caleb the first two times he was about to slip, the fact that Loomis didn't immediately conjure up some story when he came back home to cover up his tracks, but found it hard to tell Ann that Caleb left... And I actually do believe that a man considering himself of faith, like Caleb, would not easily backstab someone whom had just saved his life, well knowing Loomis could've easily gotten rid of him just then. I think he did the honorable thing and departed. Whilst it was not very honorable to sleep with Ann the first time, I think them both being drunk and very affectionate in the moment made up for much of that. Sober, and well knowing that he owed Loomis his life, I think he Caleb did "the right thing".

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I believe I agree

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I think if you're willing to look at the symbolism and, what do they call it... ACTING in the last few scenes it's clear he killed Caleb.

Loomis and Ann's behavior, her scene pushing the glass off, his scene stepping to the edge as if contemplating suicide, his return to the church, and most obviously his re-creating the church in the barn for her as an expression of guilt and looking for salvation. Not only did he realize how special she was because Caleb came, he also "found God" through Caleb.

I think knowing who Caleb was in the Bible makes this make sense, too - I had to look it up but once I did it fit.

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"I think knowing who Caleb was in the Bible makes this make sense, too - I had to look it up but once I did it fit."

Really ? I did look it up too, dude was basically one ofe 12 Moses' spies /pathfinder who found a suitable territory to invade, when others disagreed he invoked God's faith/strength & ended up given a mountain, Hebron.

In this movie, even tho there is a religious vibe i don't see how this biblical name really fit into anything.

My interpretation is the realisator just wanted to play with the viewers mind & deliberately chose an irresolved ending, but imho i don't think he killed him, he probably was resignated, since the girl cheats on him right after he tells her he loves her, to me that's not a very forgivable thing, no matter how sick that may sound he had the possibility of marrying one of their offspring later on anyway.

And he really didnt seem a killer, even when he said he killed her bro, my guess was he meant indirectely, by leaving him on the side of the road. Just my 2 cents.

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Loomis and Ann's behavior, her scene pushing the glass off, his scene stepping to the edge as if contemplating suicide, his return to the church, and most obviously his re-creating the church in the barn for her as an expression of guilt and looking for salvation. Not only did he realize how special she was because Caleb came, he also "found God" through Caleb.
I watched that scene intently, very aware of the soundtrack, aware of the fact there was no crash of breaking glass, and the change in the music when the glass hit.

I didn't make the connection at that moment. Not until you pointed out that it echoes going over the cliff.

Perhaps he did go over the cliff after all, but it was due to very bad luck, that Loomis couldn't support his weight a second time. And to spare Ann the anguish of knowing that Caleb suffered a pointless death, Loomis made up the story of going to Anson.

In any case, I'll have to rewatch the film if it comes around again on satellite.

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