Did he kill Caleb?


Did he?

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he didnt kill him the eye contact they had when he was helping him from falling was 2 men knowing it was not going to work and things were going to end badly so i think caleb gratiously bowed out and left

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I disagree. That look Caleb gave Loomis is reminiscent of the stare Caleb gave the miner after he tore another man to pieces. It was obvious that it dawned on Loomis that this was an opportunity, and Caleb's look was "what are you going to choose to do here?" Just as in his story told earlier.

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way to SPOIL the movie you A.hole

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I think it is obvious that he is dead. The look in his eyes was more "are you going to take this as a chance to get rid of me?"

And why you think it stopped so fast, after this? All the movie is about that men found a way in their fight for power to destroy most of life on earth.

So even with only 3 people there, it is clear "three is a crowd". So you not need a lot of people, to destroy, the few things that are left, to come to your end. That is the nature of men.

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The more that I think about it, the more that I think he had to have killed him. It was clear from the conversation Loomis and Caleb had just had that there was no way that Caleb was willing to go away without a fight. But we are to believe that suddenly, right after that, he had a change of heart? Especially since it followed a situation where Loomis not only had total control of the situation but also control over whether Caleb lived or died.

We are to believe that Loomis didn't take matters into his own hands, but rather that Caleb had a quick 180 where he left without any supplies or food because Loomis what, asked him again? Caleb does not strike me as the type of guy who would take THAT type of a risk because he "owed" someone for saving him, especially since that someone was a direct competitor.

I mean, if that is what the writers were going for--that Caleb just left because Loomis demanded it after he saved him--that is horrible. That would be one of the quickest turn in the history of film and a pretty laughable ending.

Boom.

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Yes..for the five reasons Yaynikay has mentioned above..

The ending scene where she is playing piano,Loomis sits watching her with a remorse and guilt in his face.. She saw through him and understood what could have happened as she pushed the glass from the table with a book. And why would Caleb leave without even saying goodbye to Ann considering they both were had a nice time the previous night?

At the end, she being a mature woman had to accept what life offered her and had to continue living with Loomis no matter she hated him or not..

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I came here to see what others thought about that very same question. I really hate these open endings. It smacks of laziness and indecision on the part of the writer(s) and director. Even if it was intentional it hardly made sense. Was it so hard to let the audience see him let go of the rope and watch Caleb fall? Caleb didn't weigh all that much so I doubt that his fall would have hurt the water slide. But the disposal of the body was problematic as others have mentioned. I just took it as a sloppy ending that would have turned off most viewers which is likely why the movie grossed only about $150,000 for two weeks domestically. I got bored half way through and forced myself to watch despite the temptation to turn it off and watch another movie. And then what happens? My persistence was rewarded with a open ending that made me invest even more time researching IMDB for answers ... go figure!

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#1stworldproblems

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I think he did, John saved him the first time on instinct, second time he let him fall.
Its a basic call back to caleb's story about the mine, on the second slip caleb and john locked eyes, and john knew if he backed away he would lose and caleb would win just like the miner in caleb's story. the following scenes pretty much confirm it.

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Let's not forget that Loomis has killed before. Whether he actually shot the kid or just left him to die doesn't matter, because he says to Ann "I killed him." Psychologically he's accepted that he's committed murder. After crossing a boundary, it only gets morally easier to do.



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Let's not forget that Loomis has killed before. Whether he actually shot the kid or just left him to die doesn't matter, because he says to Ann "I killed him." Psychologically he's accepted that he's committed murder. After crossing a boundary, it only gets morally easier to do.


I think you're talking about three vastly different scenarios and one isn't even murder.

Allowing a terminal person to die is not murder.
Shooting a terminal person in pain may technically be murder, but it is a mercy killing.
Intentionally letting a man die because of jealousy is murder.

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Allowing a terminal person to die is not murder.

Especially when he said earlier that there was nothing he could do for the kid. He was throwing up everything he tried to eat.

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Considering he's movie atheist, probably. America doesn't know how atheists work, so of course it's gonna come up with murder. Never mind that irl, it's mostly religious people who are murderers. So lame.

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