All the transparent SJW, muh diversity, BLM agenda pushing this movie is being used for is making me sick. I hope it bombs.
shareYou don't want to see Stan Lee in blackface?
Seriously though, when Black Panther was in Civil War he was a kickass hero.
I'm up for seeing more of the same from Marvel.
I don't hope it bombs. I love Marvel! But I see your point. They shouldnt like the movie because its black people. It should be great because of the story.
shareI don't hope it bombs. I love Marvel! But I see your point. They shouldnt like the movie because its black people. It should be great because of the story.Who is this THEY that shouldn't like the movie because it is Black People?
They = audience and critics.
And why is it wrong? Because you shouldn't like or dislike a movie based on the race of the characters. It's called racism. If the story is good then the story is good. Race shouldn't have an impact.
Norrin... seriously?
shareYes, seriously. Everyone is not born racist. There is nothing that is inherent or inherited about Racism and the human condition. Racism is learned. Why should Black people and People of Color NOT want to see a movie that represents them in a light different from stereotypes? Even if it is only Make-Believe?
Audience and critics will indeed view, watch and consume BP based on all of the things that it is attempting to portray.
There is quite a difference between Preference, Prejudice, Discrimination and Racism.
Not only you are going overboard in the SJW thing, racism/xenophobia/distrust on who is different IS a needed part of our biological evolution that translates into culture.
Plus, even IF the movie is "innocent" of USA's political views based on immigrants and minorities [which it isn't], it is still being used by black people as a "thing" of their own [see every single Youtube video of black USA people crying because of it] and all sorts of PC propaganda.
You may disagree with the OP as much as you want, but chill on the PC, k?
I have no reference point for going overboard on SJW, racism/xenophobia/distrust. If I comment on something it is from my perspective as a world traveler nothing more or less.
Biological evolution does not translate into a culture that is and never has been static. Cultures and society evolve and the only resistance to evolution is ignorance and not will.
BP is very much indeed a product of the USA and Cogler will use elements of his view and was given the freedom to express his view the way he wanted. Artistic license with a POV does not imply an agenda that is corrosive or that is intended to manipulate. The fact that that there is a concern or a pushback that USA "Blacks" have adopted the movie as a "thing" I find quite curious and I engage those to see just why. I do appreciate a conversation that goes beyond, Reasons and Because.
The Demagoguery of labels that is used by so many on these boards lacks resonance with me because too many attach their own exclusive definition for terms, words and phrases. Most people lack any conviction when they toss words around. PC bad, SJW bad, BLM bad, Agenda bad and they have no idea why they are supposed to be bad or even that most things require contextualization.
"Biological evolution does not translate into a culture that is and never has been static. Cultures and society evolve and the only resistance to evolution is ignorance and not will."
As any animal species, we are programmed to distrust what is different and as Humans we have two ways of going about it: kill it or use it for advantage. We also have another part of our biology which guides us to procreate with different types of people because of necessity [new genes for the pool, desire for the children to have this or that trait, etc]. But it all comes down to biology.
While that indeed it is true that Societies who don't change tend to die off, most societies do introduce change out of need or usefulness.
Racism is not learned. It is a primal instinct from tribal times, when sticking to your tribe was a necessity for survival. It has been shown in experiments that Babys react with fear to people of different races.
I'm not saying that racism is ok, but it is a primal survival instinct to stick to people similar to you. You can see it in all primitive tribal societies.
Racism is not learned. It is a primal instinct from tribal times, when sticking to your tribe was a necessity for survival.You must be quite ancient to know that! WOW! When did races exist such that intersectionality was suppressed for the sake of tribalism that was based on what, religion, hair color, height?
You know that there is a scientific field called behavioural research? What is today called racism is based on the same primal instinct that caused tribal behaviour. It wasn't "White tribes against Black tribes, but Racism has it's roots in this. It's the fear of the unknown and that fear in nature is essential for survival. When you meet a thing in nature you do not know your instinct is to be cautious and either flee or prepare to defend yourself. If you would just walk into everything you don't know you would instantly be killed and eaten.
It doesn't matter if you call it race, phenotype or whatever. If it doesn't exist it wouldn't be possible to distinguish people according to "race" and racism couldn't exist. Tribalism has existed since millennia, while it was made into a science in the 19th century, people where categorised according to their descent long before that.
It can't be argued that being suspicious about things and creatures you don't know or aren't familiar with is a primal survival instinct. I'm not saying that civilised humans shouldn't overcome it.
Behavioural Research was applied to study ancient reactions to internal and external stimuli? What is the control mechanism used to measure these primal differences based on man-made constructs that demonstrated fear?
A baby does not fear fire nor a knife. Many of man's fears are not inherent but learned as part of intellectual development, curiosity/motivation and maybe pain from experience. The unknown for humans does not inherently illicit fear nor does any such survival instinct kick in. Lacking any initial experience with the unknown man's first reaction is curiosity.
If not for curiosity man would starve to death and never learn.
It can't be argued that being suspicious about things and creatures you don't know or aren't familiar with is a primal survival instinct. I'm not saying that civilised humans shouldn't overcome it.Man is neither born into fear nor lives in fear for survival.
Curiosity is an instinct just like fear. It's just that sometimes one wins over the other.
shareFear is not an instinct it is an emotion and this is not the chicken and the egg. Fear can not precede curiosity without experience or some discomfort or pain.
You will have no experience without curiosity which requires very little external stimuli besides motivation.
Fear is an emotion, but to experience fear is hardwired into creatures. You experience fear the moment you come out of the womb. It's an essential emotion for survival.
shareDude... FEAR IS INSTINCTUAL.
If I hold a gun against your head and told you I would kill your family next I bet you would shit yourself scared.
If I had no idea what a gun was or what death was why would I shit myself?
Twisted, I've tried having conversations with you and more often then not it appears you just like being a contrarian thinking that I am bound to some three letter acronym.
You believe that fear is instinctual and no amount of literature that I find for you will open a dialog with you.
So you're right and I am wrong and believe that I'm spouting some kind of agenda.
As I told the other poster. "A baby will put their hand in the fire because they have not learned to fear the fire through the experience of pain or discomfort." But even then the fear is irrational. The fire warms, protects, heals and even nourishes. A gun is no different.
So just accuse me of splitting hairs, nuance or wordsmithing but I will just agree to disagree with you.
And for the other poster also, Humans have a capacity for many emotions but we don't always feel all of them. Some of these emotions I profess to you that you might very well consider them SJW-ish; like perhaps sympathy or empathy for example.
Again, I'll just agree to disagree with you two. You both can carry on without me in an echo chamber.
No harm no foul.
It's not the weapon, it's the sense of danger, which is innate [unless you have some medical condition that makes it impossible for you to experience the basic form of self-preservation]
We have 2 kinds of knowledge: Innate [genetic information] and a posteriori [gained by experience]. Although we don't carry the genetic information to fear fire since inception, the mechanism that enables us to learn from the pain it causes to the body is innate.
Now just switch "fire" for "people with different looks" and you have the same innate mechanism in action. It's Natural. It's part of our evolution.
It's not the weapon, it's the sense of danger, which is innate [unless you have some medical condition that makes it impossible for you to experience the basic form of self-preservation]Neither me nor my children have ever had our Spidey-Senses alerted at the mere sight of another human being.
"Man is neither born into fear nor lives in fear for survival. "
FALSE.
As soon as you are born your instinct is to cry out for air [fear of death. Survival].
You also cry to bond with you progenitor [fear of abandonment - which could lead to famine and death. Survival].
Babies who are born under water instinctly swim to the surface [fear of death. Survival]
Babies who are hungry cry to be fed [fear of death. Survival]
Babies cry when in pain [fear of death. Survival]
Stop breathing and tell me you won't be afraid to die.
Your SJW happy bubble is so full of holes, I can't figure how you haven't drown yet.,
And please "Racism is a construct". No. It isn't. It's a primordial and needful instinctual basis for survival - as fleischwolf explained pretty damn well. Without our natural concern/disdain/fear for what is different we would never have survived.
There's a reason why children usually are mean to each other, and it has nothing to do with how they were raised. It's Natural. It's their defense mechanism kicking in while trying to secure themselves as the alfa of the pack.
Why do you think boys usually play more violent games? Because it's Natural. It's their instinct fo hunt and fighting/survival kicking in.
Same reason why girls prefer dolls. It's their maternal instinct kicking in.
Uh oh norrinrad your getting politically correct by asking who's THEY....yep ur one of the reasons why trump got elected cuz everyone is sick of sjw like u. I think trumps a bafoon but u crybabies helped to get us here.
shareUh oh norrinrad your getting politically correct by asking who's THEY....yep ur one of the reasons why trump got elected cuz everyone is sick of sjw like u. I think trumps a bafoon but u crybabies helped to get us here.Thank you. share
actually it is you, that is politisizing is. so you hate yourself?
shareNo I'm not. I'm calling out the politicization.
When this movie first came out I thought "ok another Marvel movie, they're usually solid movies and this character was kinda cool in civil war" and moved on with my life. Now all these political activists are using this movie to push their agenda and it's really annoying so I'm calling out how annoying that is. See how that works, genius? Probably not.
The only people politicizing this movie are the people like you who cry "SJW PC WAHRGARBLE" every time you see a brown person headline a film.
sharePeople who call out a film for being politicized isn’t politicizing the film you idiot.
shareThe director actually said BP was about social justice!
shareQuote or link please! Otherwise Ryan Coogler never said it.
shareCoogler speaks like a SJW because he is. Uses the words representation, identity, colonization. Here he says "social awareness":
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-ryan-coogler-african-representation/
Except that the Director did NOT say that BP was about Social Justice now did he?
It is in your your mind and your mind alone that you became triggered because Social Awareness = Social Justice in order to meet your Anti-SJW mantra.
I am, unlike yourself, quite familiar with Cogler's films and apparently he is not a director that you would like because his films very much deal with the social fabric of life. Much like Kenneth Branagh dealt with the social fabric of Thor's life on Asgard and on Midgard.
For some reason you feel the need to use a label for him, an SJW as a pejorative, in order to demonize and or make his work illegitimate based on your own criteria. Congratulations, it is a free country, you are entitled to your own opinion and are free to make up your own mind.
I'll put you down as one less seat required in your local theater for a BP showing. Nobody loses.
You do know that Mutants Professor X and Magneto were stand-ins for Martin Luther King Jr and Malcom X respectively, and the ideas that the ideas and causes tackled were Mutant Representation, Mutant Awareness, Mutant identity and Mutant Social Justice?
You do realize that there's even stabs at Trump and his Wall in the movie?
When asked about it in one of the multiple interviews he did, the Director said it was written 2 years ago and it was coincidental. We should take that reply with a HUGE amount of salt, given that after that he said "build bridges not walls" was a "African saying".
I would very much like to know which African nation or tribe has such saying.
I would very much like to know which African nation or tribe has such saying.In the moment of crisis, the wise build bridges and the foolish build dams. ~ Nigerian proverb share
Fans are too political these days. Ignore them and watch the movie for what it is.
shareI've seen commercials and read some articles about the upcoming film, but haven't seen or read anything of a political nature. There has been a lot of negativity and racism directed towards the film here on this board, but I've yet to see any evidence that the film itself espouses an agenda. It appears to be another well-made movie from Marvel.
shareTook 2 seconds to find.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/black-superheroes-matter-why-black-panther-is-revolutionary-w509105
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-panther-reviews_us_5a701015e4b05836a255eb10
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2018/01/31/as-we-prepare-to-celebrate-black-panther-lets-not-forget-blade/?utm_term=.d8e61e5bcaac
Oh and you don't like the movie? You're apparently racist.
https://www.spin.com/2018/02/black-panther-rotten-tomatoes-negative-reviews/
You've linked a few articles talking about the positive response from people who've seen the movie, and some discussion of the content of the film, but where's the "politicalization?" The articles you linked, the trailers I've seen, the feedback I've heard about the movie, other articles I've seen don't put forth a political agenda. There is frank discussion of race, but why wouldn't there be? This is the first MCU film to center around a black superhero. Or do you believe that it's controversial or inappropriate to release a film about a black hero, directed by a black director, and featuring a mostly black cast?
I suspect that YOU have strong political ideas about the film based on the fact that it's about a black superhero, as evidenced by the inaccurate way you described the last link you shared. The article is about a Facebook group created to encourage people who haven't seen the movie to give it negative reviews, and how Facebook has, thankfully, banned the group. Nowhere does it even suggest that disliking the movie is racist.
Lmao. Pull you head out of your ass.
shareIf you don't think this movie ISN'T politically or racially charged then you're a moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k0AST2sQRI
Having seen it, I can now say with certainty that it's not sending an overtly political message. There are political elements to the plot-- it's about a new king taking the throne-- but I never once felt the film was preaching to the audience, or trying to hammer home any political message. It's a superhero film, and a great one at that. My fears that it might stink were unfounded.
shareLOL. Are you blind or you ignore it by choice?
A movie about black people, that comes out in "black month" and has the "yo, we all black dawgs. We should stick together" message [Plus a good amount of Trump Wall stabs], that if you go to Youtube all you see is black people reacting to and talking about the importance of...
Sure thing. XD
The politicization is certainly making hate some of the trolls here.
It's just a comic book movie that's supposed to be fun!
Have you seen the reviews? Almost all of them are talking about how great it is to see a black superhero on screen. Why does it have to be brought up? Let diversity go without saying. People want to exclude Catwoman, Hancock, Spawn, Blade. It's the same thing people did with Wonder Woman. They forgot Electra even existed but then they come up with caveats of "the first big budget...", "the first wide-released...", "the first non DC...", "the first with actual super powers...", "the first released on a Friday during January...". It's annoying.
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