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Poll: intentionally vs. unintentionally campy and ridiculous


I live for this show and have watched every minute since Day 1.

But I still wonder if the writers and actors actually take themselves seriously and think they’re making great “art” here, or if they actually realize how ridiculous they are and are constantly cracking up on the set.

Actually, I can see everyone being in on the joke except Macchio. Daniel is the worst, most self-righteously annoying character on the show … and I can’t help but think Macchio doesn’t get it.

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Intentionally I'm sure. The show doesn't even have the same tone as the movies which took themselves more seriously.

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I watched the original Karate Kid and the aftermath parking lot brawl yesterday for the 2037th time and still haven't watched Cobra Kai so i'm in a better place mentally than all of you who will never recapture what i have because you had to push play.

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What is so ridiculous about this show?

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You think an entire town having a multi years long karate feud is realistic?

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Sure, why not. I used live in a town where we all feuded for years over the Monday night wars between WWE and WCW

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That actually explains a LOT.

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Which side were you on Millsey?

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WWE

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So you were in the northeast? That was WWF/E territory. Except for Long Island. WCW use to come to Nassau Coliseum more than WWE did. So, the Island was WCW territory. I was on the island, so you would have been my mortal enemy if we met. We tared and feathered a kid in elementary school for wearing a Scotty 2 Hottie shirt back in the day.

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I was on LI too and WWE did go to Nassau Coliseum several times. I was at a few shows in the late 90s. WCW was good in the beginning with the NWO but as soon as the McMahon Austin angle happened, they kicked WCW's ass. I don't recall Nitro being at the Nassau Coliseum more frequently than Raw

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The WWF started coming out here in the late 1990s. Prior to that they usually went to The Garden, and forgot about us on Long Island.

WCW went on with the n.W.o too long. I was, a WCW die hard so I never watched the WWF, and when WCW closed its doors I was done with wrestling for good.

Those last few years of WCW were, very, VERY, painful to watch, but not nearly as painful as modern wrestling.

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I went to a WWF card at the Nassau Coliseum in both 1985 and 1986. One of the times was during the Jake the snake and Ricky Steamboat feud, think that was in 86. WrestleMania 2 took place also in 86 at the Nassau Coliseum. They went to the Coliseum quite a bit in the 80s, although MSG was more frequent

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That's more than I thought. I had to look it up, but apparently I was misinformed.

https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Nassau_Coliseum

I'm not sure why there was such a strong WCW fan base in my area when I was a kid, but there was.


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I also recall in 1982 thru 1984, the WWF would also do house shows at high schools on LI. I went to a couple of them. They only had like 5 matches on the whole card. I personally went to cards at Northport HS and Commack HS in late 83 and the middle of 1984

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That's awesome. I live in Northport.

I did look up all the dates that they were in my area. They were at the Long Island Arena quite a bit. I didn't know that they were at Northport High School, and Commack High school. I guess that that is what the listings meant when they just said Northport or Commack. I wish I could find some of those shows. Sadly, I don't think that they were recorded.

I'm actually working on a history of the area. My family has been here for seven generations. So, I know quite a bit about this place. I'd love to add some wrestling footage to my research. It's a shame none of it was recorded.

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If you check the link, scroll down to Nov 30th. Main event was Sgt Slaughter vs Tony Atlas. I was just a kid at the time

https://www.theofficialwrestlingmuseum.com/wwf-live-event-results-1983.html

For your history report, several of the restaurants on Main Street have in the back secret underground passages which lead underneath Main Street where the mobsters and their friends used it as a speakeasy. They would come to Northport from NYC in their speed boats into Northport Harbor. I heard Mayor LaGuardia was a regular. By now though it could be all sealed off



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My father went in that when he was a kid. So, I know about that. My dad also knew the chief of police in Northport during the prohibition era- so I have some good stories.

I will definitely not that one of Movie Chats biggest trolls was at that wrestling event. I'll include your post about Harlem Heat.

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Did yall settles yall's differences by having wrestling matches in public places? That would be the same logic here.

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Yes. But after I suplexed and threw my opponent off the roof of his house, I got in a lot of legal trouble and over time, the wrestling feud in our neighborhood went away. I still have some neck problems from taking a stunner

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Its absolutely intentional and that's the whole point.
There are also serious moments so that we care about the characters, but the series is mostly over-the-top and fun.
As far as Daniel goes, remember the idea for the series came from the idea that he was really the villain in the original.
He's absolutely supposed to be self-righteous and a little bit of a prick. Hes certainly not a villain, but the main star of this show is Johnny Lawrence.

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Thanks for that. I agree.

I still think Macchio thinks he’s really the star…

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Agree with you. It is campy, intentionally, and Macchio is not in on the joke.

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Of course he's in on the joke. Why wouldn't he be?

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Wrong! Macchio gets first credit, therefore he is the actual star

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Johnny is sorry fanboy.

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Thats terrible

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Johnny is obviously the star of the show.

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"Its absolutely intentional and that's the whole point."

Not all of it, and I don't think that can ever be the WHOLE point - perhaps a partial point, or small piece of the point, but the WHOLE point? What?

Look, it was 'cute', when it was done at first, since this show was pretty much unique from the get-go.

However, as it went along, it became tired, and they went way overboard with it, repeating it ad nauseum while beating the audience on the head with it until the show just became a mockery of itself. It's one thing to be 'intentionally campy' if you do it with style (Batman 1966, anyone?), it's another thing to just keep pointing at things and winking at the audience constantly.. "Get it? GET IT? I am being INTENTIONAL about this? Laugh already, damnit!!1"

That's what this show is becoming. It was done more skillfully in the beginning, but seasons 4 and 5 are nothing but a cartoony mess, the original brilliance is long gone, now there are just 'evil villains vs. our noble heroes', when before, it was a big grey area, where it wasn't clear at all who the 'bad guy' was, or even if there was such a thing.

Intentional or not, when you jump the shark and become a mockery of yourself, you become the joke instead of the comedian. This happened to The Simpsons, too - when you overstay your welcome, there's nowhere to go but down.

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The creators also wrote Hot Tub Time Machine and the Harold & Kumar movies, this takes itself a little more seriously than you'd expect with that pedigree, but I doubt these are guys are ernest enough to make something like this without realising what it is.

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"Cobra Kai" is a comedy/drama or "dramadey." The Karate Kid movies were dramas.

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Watch any behind-the-scenes interviews then.

Macchio absolutely gets it. He's stated that he thinks the "Daniel was the real bully" crowd have a legitimate point (that he nonetheless disagrees with)

It was obvious way back when they did the "Karate Kid" DVD commentary that Ralph thought the world of his cast-mates, ESPECIALLY Zabka, whom he credits for making Ralph's fighting skills look legit (the crane kick at the end in particular, because Ralph says it's always the guy getting kicked who sells it).

This is a labor of love for everyone involved, campiness included.

Besides, it's obvious they're not creating "great art" just by looking at it. The direction and cinematography are straight-up 80's sitcom style, a fact that becomes painfully obvious whenever they have "flash backs" to the films.

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It's very intentional. This show has a cheese factor that I consider very delicious. While the show can sometimes be a serious drama, it's also a self-aware kung fu movie. Many of the sequences with Johnny are full blown comedy routines, but then they immediately bring him back to being a grounded character. The show has a lot of fun with the tropes of the 80s and the genres it deals with. Even this season, the show made direct meta references to Rocky 4 while blatantly stealing Rocky 4 story lines. They know what they're doing.

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A lot of the humor is about how tough guy from the 80's (Johnny) would be out of place in today's society, even though he (now) has a good heart and means well. And gently mocking the way things are now.

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For the creators of this show: it's very intentional. Just based on some of Amanda's lines show that they know what they're doing and they're doing it with a wink at the audience. Also, one of Terry Silver's first lines "I actually spent a year of my life tormenting a high school karate champion." is absolutely hilarious.

Most of the actors on the other hand are taking it way seriously, which makes it even funnier.

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