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Read the above posts again, we acknowledge Julian has friends. We said *how* he maintained friends with his awful character was beyond us.
Really? Vicky is in the wrong and immature for choosing to fulfill her obligations like an adult, unlike her immature brat of a husband?
I hope no woman comes to *you* for career or personal advice!
Yeah, esp. that Sister Pauline. Who is that bitch to say Sister Luke was the one who was prideful and could never be a good nun?! Isn't that, in itself, not only prideful, but arrogant, vicious, and showing jealousy/envy as well? Yet, rather than being called out, Sister Pauline was coddled and enabled!
Teaching someone humility is one thing, but sick patients shouldn't have to suffer at the hands of someone like Sister Pauline, who is absolutely useless as a nurse and as a nun and would rather be vengeful, selfish, and bring others down to make herself feel better rather than elevating her own damn self! She could learn a lesson from poor Simone who is kind and actually humble enough to admit her faults and cut her losses without bringing anyone down with her.
I hated the nuns like Mother Marcella and Sister Pauline! They are insufferable! Thank goodness for Mother Christoph, what a sweetheart! *She* is who these so-called godly servants should aspire to be!
Did we watch the same movie? Julian was not adult at all. He was the biggest asshole in the entire movie!
He's so self-centered, entitled and spoiled, he would throw a tantrum and stomp off whenever he didn't get his way. This happened multiple times throughout the movie, beginning from his very first scene.
Even Lermontov who was known to be inflexible and made it clear he didn't want his dancers having romantic entanglements, eventually relented, and let both Irina and Vicky back into the company. And Vicky only came back after parting ways with Lermontov and agreeing to dance for other companies when she didn't have to, purely for her bratty husband's benefit.
Julian, on the other hand, had no regard for anyone but himself. People constantly had to pick up after him and work around his egotistical outbursts. The final straw was at the end when he tossed aside his professional obligations and left his concert. For what? So he can break into <i>another</i> major tantrum, guilt trip Vicky into giving up the greatest opportunity of her career (something which she would never do to him!), emotionally beating her down by accusing her of "destroying" their love because she is not childish and bratty enough to walk away from her professional obligations for their so-called <i>LURVE</i> the way he did, and then walking away from his clearly distraught wife and driving her to her death.
Julian was beyond pathetic. How had *any* friends, much less Vicky's love, is beyond me.
Lol, you should've written the climax and conclusion to the movie instead. The coat and cross being found on Chris would've made much more sense and carried the plot forward much more smoothly than Hunter whipping 'the evidence was found on a dead Apache, but I'm going to gamble on the idea that the evidence was stolen from the exact CH's who barely appeared 5 minutes in the movie and pin it on him... Oh, but wait! A twist within a twist, it was actually the *father* of white boy who I thought might've done it' The end!
Yeah, it was a disappointment. Everything from the 'confession' all the way through to Constance Towers and Jeffrey Hunter having their cliched ending kiss and the cavalry riding off into the distance was nauseating. It essentially whitewashed all the complexity and heart of the film. It deserved a much better conclusion.
None of the male characters you mentioned burned people alive; and they were punished for treason *on top of* refusing orders, unlike the Tarleys. People probably wouldn't be questioning Danearys' sanity so much, if she wasn't so fire-happy. While, I don't think she was written to be "mad" in the past season, she def. has pyrophiliac obsessions, which is very frightening, esp. for someone who owns dragons.
She is. That's what makes Cersei frightening. Whereas Danaerys' unpredictability is what makes her frightening.
WTF? That's a new one. First, it's vaccines, now inbreeding that causes Autism? Game of Thrones is fiction. Autism is not. Stop spreading slander and ignorance about a condition and a group of people you don't know shit about.
"I felt terribly sorry for Godfrey also, because I honestly don't believe he really loved her either, I think he was possibly fond of her at the most...
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I'm with you there. I really did not like Lombard's character. It was Gail Patrick who really stood out to me as a love interest. She is also the character that grew and matured the most; I think she really came to understand Godfrey and would've made a better match...if he had to marry one of them. But marrying Irene? That's headed for divorce court. I'd give it a month...IF even. She's just such a child."
I totally agree Justaudrey! If the conventional HW standards wouldn't let Godfrey get together with either Molly or Cornelia (pity, they're so much more likeable), then they should've just left it alone. Irene and Godfrey hooking up at the end is like if Cary Grant and Shirley Temple got together in "The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer." Yech.
I don't agree. If any relationship felt like brother-sister, it was Godfrey and Irene. Godfrey was like a much older big brother, who had to shoulder his vengeful, immature, spoiled sister who was holding onto him like her personal toy and refused to let him go.
You might want to carefully my post again. I said I didn't mind Maude's "platitudes." I said I did mind her reckless driving and stealing of cars. I still love Maude (and Susan Vance). But, no one should do that, no matter what their past is. It's dangerous and reckless.
Yeah... For me, an immature twit like Irene forcing her attentions on Godfrey and "winning" him at the end ruins an otherwise great screwball comedy for me.
Funny, there was that discussion at the beginning about the dignity and considerations for other human beings at the beginning when "forgotten men" were being collected like commodities for the scavenger hunt at the beginning of the film. Yet, Godfrey is reduced to a little more than a possession and toy for the immature, vengeful, spoiled brat, Irene, regardless of how Godfrey felt about her.
Shame. I thought their friendship and understanding at the beginning of the film at the scavenger hunt was so lovely... Then, Irene had to start forcing herself on Godfrey and she was no longer considerate of Godfrey or his feelings. Then, there's that weird business of her randomly riding a horse up the front steps of her house, leaving it on the premises, and aggravating her family... Wtf? Def. not good enough for Godfrey.
Too bad Molly and Cornelia didn't end up with Godfrey. They're much more up to Godfrey's level and had much better chemistry. Lombard and Powell would've had much better chemistry if Irene was written to behave a bit more like an adult, as opposed to an irritating, love-struck adolescent with stunted mental and emotional growth.
Nothing wrong with Carole Lombard's performance. She was splendid. But, her character is too immature and selfish to be worthy of the affections of a character like Godfrey.
A shame they didn't remain friends. I loved their friendship at the beginning of the movie. I loved the understanding and connection they had at the beginning before Irene started forcing her attentions on Godfrey, without taking his feelings into consideration.
EDIT: I take it back. Carole Lombard's performance was very grating at times. Especially, that loud cackle that came on whenever the character laughed at Cornelia's expense ("CORNELIA LOST HER PEARLS AND I GOT MINE! CORNELIA LOST HER PEARLS AND I GOT MINE! Ah-HA-HA-HAAA!!!") Good grief.
I have no issues with Irene being "wacky." I actually like that about her. What I do not like about her is constantly forcing her affections on Godfrey and acting entitled to his love when he has no romantic interest in her. Why would he? He's intelligent, sophisticated, honorable, good-natured gentleman.
Irene has her moments, but she is a self-centered "nitwit." At least, Cornelia realizes her flaws. Irene never does, after the scavenger hunt scene. She's too immature and selfish to be worthy of Godfrey's affections. Molly and Cornelia were much better suited for Godfrey and had better chemistry with him as well.
The movie overall is about as least feminist as I ever would've imagined we would see in the current political climate. There is no way that Patty Jenkins is a modern feminist who buys into the current "wave" of feminism, whatever it might be. She isn't anti-men, anti-sex, anti-violence-in-media, anti-glamour, etc.
What the hell? What era are you living in that feminism is "anti-men, anti-sex... anti-glamour"? If anything, "modern" (whatever the hell that means in your case) feminism is the opposite of all that. You're totally out of touch. Get out of whatever cave you're living and get a clue on what you're talking about.
Sex is sex and rape is rape. Why would the 2 be confused with each other? That is ridiculous.
Standing up to one's wife shouldn't involve breaking into her room, chasing her around town in her underwear, and giving her a public spanking. Only a brainless, uncivilized brute would behave that way and that's essentially what McLintock and his potential son in law, Devlin Warren (played by Wayne's real life son oddly enough) were.
Even the daughter, Becky, got spanked and roughed around by the man who is supposed to be her love interest! On top of that, Devlin hands McLintock the brush to hit his wife with. Great way to treat your mother in law. Horrible movie with horrible men!
When Mr. Lindner came by to buy the family out, it was no longer about the insurance money. Money wasn't the issue, the Clybourne neighborhood was willing to pay off the price of the house (more specifically the mortgage, I'm guessing), even give them extra for profit. If money was the main problem, the family would've simply accepted the pay out and moved elsewhere perhaps.
But, money was no longer the issue. The Younger Family's dignity was at stake. Lena even mentions it quite a few times how much the 5 generations struggled as slaves and poverty stricken working class, but they never allowed anyone to "buy" them out. By refusing the neighborhood's bribe, it was Walter's way of telling them that their dignity and pride couldn't be bought.
I disagree. I think Jim Hutton is quite handsome. Even my mom thought so. She actually commented about Jim's good looks before Grant's. xD
I don't disagree about Hutton's "[dweebiness]," but personalyl I thought that was part of the charm that made so funny and likable.
I totally agree! Milo deserved way better! I just hope she'll give a really good guy a chance, considering she fell so hard for an asshole like Jerry.