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You're crazy. He was great in this. That tired, sarcastic, cynical, weary performances is legendary and matches in step so well with Gloria's Swanson's over the top, theatrical madness of Norma.
But, even Joe's prideful shell takes a crack at the end. Look at the shot towards the end when Holden turns his back to Nancy Olson and with a bitter sadness exclaims "I like (my arrangement) that way." Vocally he's confident and convincing to Betty, but his face is in a another world that changes a second before he turns back around to face her again. It gives me goosebumps no matter how many times I look at it.
[quote][–] vicky_lc2001-1 2 years ago
I immediately developed a huge crush on him when I saw this film last year. He was also very good in Stalag 17. His acting style is very natural and modern. People always credit Brando but I prefer Holden. Plus he looked hot in that pool scene. [/quote]
Same here! I immediately became entranced by Holden after seeing "Sunset Boulevard." I always loved his voice.
While Brando's performances in "A Streetcar Named Desire" and "On the Waterfront" were phenomenal, his later performances were very hit and miss. Whereas the quality of Holden's performances remained consistent while still doing justice to all his characters throughout his career
You mention a lot of French actresses, which doesn't really make sense. French actresses tend to become more in demand and revered as they get older. Total opposite of Hollywood.
[quote] kikiteka 7 years ago
I love that the "Who was hotter, Moondoggie or Kahuna?" argument rages on 50 years after the movie came out. God bless the internet. I say Kahuna. Moondoggie was cute, Kahuna was sexy. I wanted Gidget to go for Kahuna in that beach hut, despite the age difference. I was terribly disappointed when he sent her home. So close! Oh well.[/quote]
Lol, I love the debate as well. I love both Moondoggie and Kahuna. They're both very sexy- Moondoggie in a boyish way and Kahuna in a mature, manly way.
Thank you so much for this article! It was an interesting read. Terry sounds like he had a very pleasant life on his own terms, which is the least anyone can hope for in their lives.
I hope I can meet some surfers and get into surfing someday. Albeit, I'd have to improve my swimming first, lol!
Lol "bidgets," that is pretty funny! I thought the same thing when I watched the film.
It's interesting to note though that although Sandra Dee looks very tiny, she was actually 5'4" which was considered tall in the 50's. This might account for why the boys didn't look much taller than her in comparison.
Well, there is actually one brief shot of the luau with one guy chasing another girl into a hut. Then the guy comes back out briefly just long enough to grab another girl and pull her into the hut as well, before the camera shifts back to Jeff and Gidget arriving at the luau. Who knows what else went on outside of what the audience was allowed to see, lol.
[i]As for Kahuna, his bird dying helped get the ball rolling for his new path in life. I can't help thinking about what his life became after leaving the life of a surf bum. I'm sure he was raking in the money as an airline pilot, but as he said, he didn't care for all the rules and regulations in the military, so I wonder how long it took him to adjust to living his life by other people's schedules...and was he able to find a woman who "brought out the best" in him like Gidget did? [/i]
Flyboy dying also set up a deep conversation between Kahuna and the Gidget, which revealed a lot about Kahuna's background, including his time in the war and how it affected him. This film had wonderful character development.
It makes me very sad that the rest of the Gidget series got so horribly butchered. It's so odd, considering the film was not only successful, but a cultural phenomenon as well. Even the TV series didn't have much of a chance to flourish after season 1 even though it did find an audience and could've gotten a season 2 instead of unnecessarily moving on to a new series.
[i]I like the dialogue better in this movie, and I feel that the characters are more interesting (though not necessarily as likeable). But I think it's hard to compare Leo and Kate to Webb and Stanwick because their characters are so unalike.[/i]
Are you insane? The characters are infinitely more likeable in the '53 version. Whereas in the '97 version, they are ridiculously self-absorbed and insufferable, especially the prig-faced Rose!
[quote] what happened to make her husband leave his girlfriend and bring his wife flowers signifying getting back together. [/quote]
That's a very good question. I just got through with the movie again and I was wondering the same thing. I am very happy that Joan and John reconciled and got their happy ending, but it definitely feels like something is missing.
[quote] The Trivia mentioned some missing footage and I bet a lot could be explained. There were gaps that some choose to treat as simply people without class or something not comprehending the respect the virgins of the world once received. Apologies if I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time). But I think the missing footage is to blame. It's just 2 short subjects (I add the roses and running return to the dinner party so late): the clothing and sleeping together, and 2d, what happened to make her husband leave his girlfriend and bring his wife flowers signifying getting back together. [/quote]
That would be great if there was a fuller version of this film and we could see it. We can't be sure though that it would explain anything about the ending. I wouldn't be surprised if the happy ending was tacked on as a surprise for audiences and that had to accept it and simply fill in the gaps themselves pertaining what happened between Joan and John's separation.
.... I'm not even going to bother making sense out of any of that nonsense, especially whatever the hell "converts" are or that you think they are... Enjoy your warped homophobic existence.
What's wrong with being part of the LGBTQ community? None those women are any less the women that they are than their heterosexual counterparts. That's nonsense.
[quote] in the book we see much of what's in her mind, and the fact is that while she's going out and picking cotton and running lumber mills with convict labor and ignoring all her society's rules for women, she never questioned the idea that women should be Great Ladies. It was just circumstances preventing her from being submissive and dependent and ladylike, and occasionally she even felt guilty about her failure to be what she thought a woman should be. And then she went out and shot a union soldier in the face or something. [/quote]
That's not entirely true. Before the war, Scarlett was full of criticism for Pre-war Southern society, particularly with how women were expected to behave in order to catch a husband and always being encouraged to hide how their intelligence and letting their husbands take credit for all their plantation and household management, in order not to appear "unladylike."
I disagree hugely. I don't know about Oliver or The Hurt Locker, but some of the other ones including Rocky, Marty, and Ordinary People are definitely way better than The Shape of Water.
Really? I heard this was a very sought after role and many actresses were considered for the part before Irene Dunne was cast...
Uh no, I'll have to heavily disagree. If anyone was always "angry and hateful," it was Roseanne in the later seasons. She was abominable post-Tom Arnold years! Ann-Marie was actually very chill and laidback in comparison.
I loved when Leon snapped that cleaning all the lard out of Diner oven(?) was like out "cleaning one of [Roseanne's] arteries." Lol!
I totally agree with her treatment of Bev and Fred! She is awful and horrific to them! I just got done watching the episode where Bev gives each of her daughters $10,000.
Then, the girls make her negotiate just to be able to move into the same city as them! Bev could move wherever she damn well pleased, especially after getting out of a terrible marriage. And she sure shouldn't have to seek permission from her ungrateful bitch daughters, especially after giving them so much money.
Hell, Dan acted very reasonable about the whole thing and even Darlene, of all people, didn't complain about having to share a room with Bev, so she definitely deserved better from her own damn daughters.
Ann Wedgeworth was also in the [i]The Scarecrow[/i] with Al Pacino and Gene Hackman. Definitely worth checking out!
The Huxtables weren't the first upper class black family. The Jeffersons were. If Bill Cosby is under the impression he made his show the first depiction of a rich black family, he's sadly delusional.