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I personally preferred the version made for PC, but the Sega version wasn't bad at all.
In reality Iago was never truly a good character. Just because he became a member of Aladdin's squad, he was still ruthless, sardonic, egotistical and just plain mean. So Iago never truly changed.
Why?
"Aladdin", mainly because it's a superior movie and it appealed to me more. Though I've grown to appreciate and like "Beauty and the Beast" more, I do consider "Aladdin" to be superior because of it's swashbuckling adventures.
I'm not trying to be condescending. Though her former persona as Hannah Montana is labeled as a "good girl" for a good reason, I find it funny how people labels that persona as a good girl, when in fact the character of Hannah Montana/Miley Stewart was far from a goody-two shoes. Miley Stewart was in fact (through the seasons) a ruthless, selfish and callous brat who went huge lengths to get her way, often at the expense of her family and friends. She eventually learned her lesson, but still became the same bitch in the next episode. Of course a fictional character for a tween demographic doesn't need to be a goody-two-shoes, but Miley Stewart was a epitome of a unlikable and obnoxious bitch.
I remember that time. It feels like it was another lifetime. She was overexposed to a huge degree and the boards was filled with either hostile Hannah fans or obnoxious trolls.
I can see the resemblance. Just that Chelesea is more pleasant and likable than Kaley. I don't personally mind Kaley, but I consider Chelsea to be more likable.
There's no need to apologize for it. The scene was supposed to be a epiphanic turmoil moment for Efron, yet the choreography is laughable, overdone and exaggerated. So of course it's a laughable moment.
You weren't the only one. Several reviewers have cited that Sharpay was far more engaging and interesting than Gabriella. Though I personally prefer Vanessa to Ashley (regardless of Vanessa being of course hotter), I can see why people find Sharpay more appealing than Gabriella.
And this tends to happen a lot. Villains have a tendency to be more liked and praised than the heroes and tend to have more spark and personality. Despite that their archetypal role is to be the antagonist and therefore less appealing.
Agreed. Well said
No, it's certainly not as elaborated, but at least the backstory is a leap for Disney. It's rarely that you'll see parents who are outright cruel to their kids, especially the protagonists. Though I personally considered the backstory to be contrived and derivative, at least it gave Beast a legitimate reason for being malicious.
However, there were some prequel comics by Marvel of the story released. And they did portray some backstory about the Beast, though I haven't read them and I'm oblivious about how much of his parents is known.
Frankly, I felt Beast was as much of a big jerk here. The difference is that he apologizes to the servants for the mess he's made and shows more concern for them (which he didn't in the original until the transformation). Obviously a sign that this was meant to be a "smarter" version of the story. Otherwise the Beast was simply the same.
Agreed. I never thought of the animated Gaston as attractive as he could've been. He is attractive, for sure, but not as other Disney males.
Agreed. But Luke Evans is physically more attractive than Dan Stevens. Not to dismiss Steven's appeal, cause he's not being hideous, but Evans has a more obvious sex appeal. Not to mention that Evans' wig helped a lot.
Of course Tarzan is being sanitized and purified in this version. It's a Disney movie after all and their adaptations of classic stories usually has a user friendliness to them, as well as the protagonists. It's what Disney's always done, so of course it's no surprise why Tarzan is innocent in this version.
While that being said, I've personally wouldn't mind if this version were actually more true to the original novel. Though the Disney version has it's moments of drama and trauma, it's still a light-hearted, politically correct and sanitized. Due to the dept of the premise that Disney made (Tarzan's inner turmoil between two worlds), I certainly wouldn't mind if this version were more deeper (and Disney has made more harrowing and explicit movies before, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch for them to make "Tarzan" more blatant).
Heck, the screenwriter Tab Murphy initially wrote a treatment that was quite close to Burroughs' novel. It's a remarkable move indeed (for a Disney movie), but it was sanitized and simplified to fit the Disney mold. Who knows how Murphy's original treatment would've been like.
The only times Tarzan was truly unlikable was towards his adoptive mother, Kala. The first introductory scene of him as five year old, where she desperately looks for him when he's gone from the nest and he laughs at it behind her back, makes me wanna cringe (though of course the movie never cites this, it's unknown whether Tarzan knows about Kala's former lost baby and the film makes room to mock of post-traumatic experiences as such). The worst thing is that Tarzan himself obviously considers her despair to be funny (of course him being a kid, he's not emotionally aware of the nuanced malice behind such actions).
It would've been better if the film showed Tarzan enjoying to scare Kala at the expense of the sheer fun and not him enjoying her despair, as it's proven by the Deja Vu scene where he's grown up and does the same thing. But she catches him, as cited in her "Don't even think about it"-comment. Of course Tarzan being fully grown, he's more noticeable then as he was a small child, but at least Kala is more aware about his tricks.
There are a couple of other moments where Tarzan literally neglects her, as when Kerchak cites that he will never become one of the family (though it's a brief gesture, he scooches her arm to run away). And that he throws a little tantrum in the following scene when Kala rubs the mud away from the face by and he screams "Look at me". But a worse example is when Tarzan being an adult and challenges Kerchak when he warns the clan about the humans and afterwards tells Kala angrily "Why didn't you tell there were creatures that looked like me?"
Of course his reaction is logically justified (he's learned that there are species as him and he's being denied to seek them and he believes that they're not dangerous, though of course Clayton and his crew are those who are), but the execution of the scene is badly written. Kala basically says nothing to her defense and Tarzan just leaves her and runs up to the three. At least the scene could've been executed in a way where Kala at least could've have a reply and a more constructive discussion. There wasn't really a need for him to be directly angry at her.
From there on, Tarzan basically neglects Kala (though of course it's deliberately made, due to give their relationship an arc and a closure at the tree-house). But frankly, in most of the scenes he seems to take her for granted. There are a few bits where he shows her affection, but they are quite brief. The only scenes where he truly shows concern for her is in the tree-house, when she leaves the cabin to let him decide (as proven by his look) and afterwards tells her that she will always be his mother.
Of course he cites her as being his mother when he takes Jane to the gorilla's, but apparently he's forgotten that he's neglected her priorly. I felt sorry for Kala in that regard, due to her loosing a child, but also to have to deal with a second adoptive child, who mostly ignores her and threats her badly (though of course his examples weren't horrendous, he could've been worse, but Disney have previously had mother-son dynamics where the son is more gracious and loving towards their mothers than Tarzan were).
Otherwise, Tarzan was pretty much a decent character and likable enough. He had his moments where he was using Terk and Tantor as well (and taking them for granted, as much as he did with Kala), but at least that moment was brief and he wasn't as bad towards her as he was with Kala (and at least Terk neglected Tarzan when they were kids). But these were the only exceptions and Tarzan was otherwise likable
And Tarzan's "betrayal" to Kerchak was completely justified. Though Tarzan being oblivious about Clayton's intentions, he was just trying to save Clayton (and the others) from being harmed by Kerchak. But his oblivion makes his actions justified, due to his only action being to prevent Kerchak to attack the humans.
It was a betrayal, but a mild one, due to the aforementioned reasons. Obviously Tarzan was completely unaware that Clayton had intentions to seize the gorilla's in the first place (obviously being more focused to find a way to make Jane stay), so Tarzan's betrayal was just an honest mistake with good intentions.
And basically, Kerchak and Kala were the ones who denied Tarzan to see the humans, but Tarzan's intentions to seek the humans were still not bad ones. And when he exposed the gorilla's to the humans, it wasn't meant to expose them to be caught. After all, Jane and her father never had malicious intentions and it wasn't his fault that the apes got caught. The group never should've excluded him.
It's funny how you mention that this was your favorite show alongside by "Hannah Montana", due to how blatantly similar they are. Of course "Austin & Ally" isn't a carbon copy, but the similarities are overt and obvious. Besides, "Austin" is perhaps the show that has replicated "Hannah's" tone successfully.
This show was my favorite of the current DCcoms, too. I liked it more than the other shows and I liked most the characters and the songs. Dez was my favorite character (despite being grating at times) and I thought Nelson was adorable.
Disagree. Regardless of the stigma these DCcom shows have, I thought "Austin & Ally" had the best songs.
Agreed. Despite Dez being my favorite, unfortunately he had a tendency to be quite grating at times. But I still loved how Calum Worthy made him endearing and likable at his very best.
Joy was annoying, but it was her purpose. It was her purpose to be over the top happy-go-lucky. She was annoying, but she learned her arc.