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To you it may have sucked, but next time you make a bold statement and you don't need to use the word F?
And maybe try to share what you felt sucked?
What do you mean he didn't have to tell Jon about his identity?
That's in the BOOKS, RR Martin wrote the character of Jon for a reason for him to discover who he is, not for 8 seasons keep it a secret. Dany was NEVER going to be queen, all the clues and hints were in the entire show but people or fans like you could not or refuse to see them, she was written as a cautionary tale a warning of someone obsessed with power but never really knowing its meaning or what it means to be a leader, and her actions when the bells rang were not justified and she did exactly what her character innately was all along and that's why she died.
Yes I felt the same way, however; it should have been a 2 hours considering it was the ending and the season was cut short too.
I think you really don't get this show or it's themes and what you have been watching in 8 season?
This story was about the shift of power, and those acquired it each represented some form of power and Bran ending to be king is because he was free of many of the facets that corrupts a person in power. I think maybe you should read the books to really grasp what Martin had tried to convey, which really was butchered by the producers D&D to cut the show shorter and seasons shorter that made the story to the fans more incoherent, this is why you are reacting to the ending.
"Whatever they wanted the finale to be about, they got it wrong."
Got it according to YOU????????????
You forget your rant last week to me about defending Danny and she should get the Iron thrown and now that you were way wrong then you are writing that it was " foretold in S2" ?
You were all lip last week but now you bring up foretold in S2 ?
You are so full of SHIT
I understand what you were hoping for but Daenerys's character was a cautionary tale about the use of power, she was never going to be the Queen, the signs and clues were there from the very start but people dismissed them but I knew she will never become the leader. This show GOT was not written that way and the shift of power was at the heart of themes of the story. I agree the ending maybe rushed and it should have been two hours but the blames lies also on two greedy producers D&D who exploited these books, they cut the seasons shorter and shorter, which also killed a huge part of the essentials in the book, even RR Martin said several times in his interviews the show should have gone 10 or more seasons with 10 episodes but D&D just wanted to end it with their own version of the ending, not wait for Martin to finish the books.
"it's up to the fans to find a way to explain it. Or not."
Maybe you should start reading the books and get the answers from the writer that wrote it instead if waiting for fans to explain it or even bother to maybe consider that you are WRONG? Or that you are clueless about this show's themes? maybe to educate yourself by reading or watching some of RR Marting interviews instead of your constant rants here to devalue a show or creators of it that you could not even compete with.
"cold and evil person"?
Wow, that's just way overboard statement about Bran?
I mean I can see he is kind of cold due to his change of identity to the 3eyed Raven, but you
are very very wrong, he has Empathy and care and he did forgive Theon and Jaimie and even said he hated no one.
How could he have stopped a slaughter?...where do you come up with these ideas that you can actually maybe even give examples of to support your statement? By what means could Bran stop a slaughter ? How could you even compare to Cersi? who did Bran kill?
The more I read some of the posts on this boards, the more I realize how truly people lack depth in even understanding the core themes of this story and novels. It's all black and white to you, and RR Martin's story works more on shades of gray, but it may take years for people to really dig deeper into the books and maybe even some colleges start using these books as a way to discuss the meanings of themes but they way D&D have made this show by cutting it down to shorter is what has killed the narrative that people like you just see things from one angle and judge a character because the story is incoherent in the show therefore people all react so differently; the blame lies on the two greedy jerks D &D that have caused this confusion by cutting and editing these books that the essential parts of characters are missing and ofcourse people who watch the show not knowing why Bran became the King and it does not make sense.
You should really find another message board to Troll on, this is not one of them.
You are actually the second person who also liked the ending since I posted this thread.
I agree it was decent and not great. My only issue with the finale was that it should have been longer either 2 hours or at least an hour and half?. I wanted to see exactly what happened after Jon did Kill Danny, how he went to share that news with her soldiers and their reaction or how Greyworm was willing to just imprison Jon and not kill him? That part was missing?
I was watching some of the interviews with RR Martin on youtube in the last weeks; he has always seems consistent with how he wrote these books and what he was trying to convey in them. He also mentioned how the producers D & D basically caught up with the books that really surprised him but by cutting so much out of the story; that GOT could have or should have gone to 10 seasons or more. Which is what I thought for a long time that these two greedy Hollywood jerks exploited this man for his great novels, they did a great job maybe in the first season or two and gradually took over writing their own version of GOT, even changing who gets to kill who or how?. Martin also said its just how the TV medium seems to always be in some rush and in that rush kills the very essential part of the novels that got edited out by D &D; this is why I think the end was disappointing to the majority. I just saw all the reviews on IMDB just from last night's episode there has been over 5000 reviews posted and continue to post and almost 90% is all negative, but I think a lot of is their expectations was not met of the ending too and Bran being King, but most people were unhappy of how short and quick it was and that is something I still don't understand how these two assholes D &D and HBO didn't think or consider that for a show that has such a large global fans for 8 years, to give a two hour finale out of respect who supported to keep this show on the air, not rush it, this is something that I believe these two men will be marked and known for in years to come.
I think all of you who critic about why Bran became the King really never understood the very depth of GOT and its theme. Each power shift in the story represented something; there is a reason Bran became King because for one thing he had no desire for power or to rule like Danny or Cersi or others who were kings, but that may sound too lame to someone like you?. I saw this video on Youtube that someone else had predicated over a almost 3 weeks ago that Bran would be king at the end and it ties a lot of the deeper core themes of this story and the books to bring forth its reasoning. I suggest you watch this and maybe get something out of it, maybe also watch some interviews with R R Martin and understand his perspective on what he was trying to convey in this story, because he didn't write 5 books to just be about good and evil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5n8Q4lOUic
I saw this on Youtube that this guy predicated Bran will be king over a month ago and I think it does actually make sense that Bran became King, but to people like YOU who had other expectations and can't comprehend what are the core deeper meanings and the core themes of these Books really were, then it is hard because you wanted to end the way YOU think it make sense and not really even taking into account there is a theme or message to this entire story that you have failed to even understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5n8Q4lOUic
GET A LIFE
Yes that was something I was thinking when they were to vote, but except Sansa had no interest in the entire 7 kingdoms and her focus or goal was to save the north and live in the north with her people, she was very keen on that point. I thought it was going to be Tyrion as the King and he is almost the king as Bran is more of an authority over everything, but if you go back to the very first season the characters like Tyrion and Jon's meeting and how Tyrion's perspective on life interested Jon to like each other was a hint or a clue that he is a person who has the vision of a leader; but his biggest mistake was that he fell for Danny's charismatic or enchanting way of creating allies and having Dragons and that she had good intentions.
Again you refuse or incapable of understanding why Bran king became because you don't comprehend the GOT as a story or its theme. You were defending Danny last week and you were proved wrong when I told you you are not getting what her character's role in the story, but now you are harping about the ending is wrong and Bran should not be king? Maybe its you who should take your head out of your ass, Bran is KING because RR Martin wrote it that way, just like the way he wrote Danny's was not going to be queen. Get it? I doubt it.
I do agree with you, I wished the finale was 2 hours and not one hour for a show that went for 8 seasons and with a such a global following. I thought dealing with Dany was going to be a challenge, not so much a war, but plot where there is a conflict and I was surprised at how early she died in the episode and how Jon even managed to survive for just being in prison?. I guess it all boils down to the cost or bottom line with these producers D &D and if you noticed they didn't have their end episode overlay review for the finale and that was a surprise to me why they didn't? I personally never liked these two producers, they just took advantage of RR Martin and these great books to make money and they rushed a lot the story; GOT could have gone to 10 seasons.
Every time I read one of your emotionally posts here, it just proves you expect things to work out your way and when it doesn't it really bothers you. The world according to OTTER...Lol
Why don't you write a letter to RR MARTIN and tell him how to write his books and how to write the ending too?...lol
If you ever understood the real theme of this show GOT, then you would know why Bran was chosen as King, but I doubt you ever will but continue to rant your anger of BS about what you think or how things should be? I bet you have a tough time being you because life is UNFAIR..Lol
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean that they voted for someone they "barely know"?
Bran is a son of Ned Stark, Bran was a huge part of the war against the Nightwalkers and the first to know they had broken through the walls. All the other Kingdows were fighting that war with Starks in their castle; they were present to Bran being there. His abilities as 3eyed Raven that gave him access to the entire history of the past, of what mistakes were made and not repeat is a huge asset, its like having a history book can talk and think next to you, then you forget that he was never seeker of power and he had no agenda, but I think you also miss a huge point about the GOT's theme? that it was about people who seeked power with agenda, it was Game to get to the throne and those choices or those like Cersi who took it or Danny who claimed it through her blood right but got consumed with it, were the very thing that Tyrion wanted to get away from to chose a boy a cripple boy who had no agenda and no hunger for power, to pick a person who was free from from all that and Bran was a surprise choice to many, but it really wasn't if you really get the core theme of what RR Martin wrote these books that power and how it is attained has been the very cause of wars of the human history through out centuries; Danny's character in the show was a cautionary tale that everyone thought she had the right to be the leader because of that constant hunger for it but Bran is the exact opposite. I always thought Tyrion would end being the king but I was close he did become Hand to the king after all the chaos and wars in the 6 or 7 kingdoms, you needed two people without agenda to rule.
You and I are probably in the minority when it comes to liking the ending. I think a lot of people didn't really understand the themes of this show or missed it?...I don't know?...but these posts I read here are sound like really younger audience with idealistic ideas of why the ending was bad or it didn't live up to their expectations. Like you say the "whiney"...lol