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Did the Jews put Jesus to death?

posted 14 days ago by Rorikon (16509)
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Before the Romans crucified him, there was a trial for Jesus to be tried upon.

Was it the Jews? (Matthew 27:24–25, John 5:16–18)

They even stoned the first martyred saint and Jesus's brother apparently. Maybe a Jewish sect but still Jews no less, a group anyway.

The more I read about this the more I think it was religious conflict and desert hallucinations that lead to the creation Jesus as some ethereal symbol for religion altogether. Since the Quran mentions Jesus as well, I wonder if Jews, Muslims (Egyptians/Syrians?), Christians all lived amongst each other during Roman reign and saw similar events as one would in a diverse part of the Middle East.

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[–] Porsche911 (2631) 14 days ago

The New Testament, yes! The Jew is king now. Zionism is the new news and most of us are goyim ( cattle)

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7446) 14 days ago

I'm a Christian and yes, I believe the Jews at the time demanded Jesus be crucified. I believe Jesus was God in human form and that he allowed himself to be tortured to death so that our sins could be forgiven. Then I believe he was raised from the dead and resides in heaven for all those who choose to believe in him and accept those things.

[–] moviebuff00 (439) 9 days ago

nah. if jesus actually existed, he was just an extremely charismatic man with a god delusion. jewish leadership hated him because he took followers away from them. in the end, religion is still just about power just like how christian priests wielded power throughout history, rabbis did too and jesus threatened it.

[–] DMT (3916) 9 days ago

As the famous song goes "Grab the jew by his money" Money and Power are practically body parts of the jew, they cannot physically let go of these things

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo&pp=ygUbdGhyb3cgdGhlIGpldyBkb3duIHRoZSB3ZWxs

[–] maixiu (708) 14 days ago

The stone that the builders rejected will become the cornerstone. Guess who the "builders" are.

[–] B1cKsurN (15046) 14 days ago

The Jews and the Romans were great tag-team partners in the murder of Jesus.

I mean, this very concept has been included in the unconstitutional antiSemitism bill.

[–] DMT (3916) 9 days ago

The Romans didn't see him as a threat, they did everything they could to save him, Pontius Pilot said he was gonna release Barabus or Jesus thinking nobody would pick the most notorious murdering rapist, the jews demanded Barabus released and Jesus killed, Pontius Pilot as an invading conquerer feared there would be revolution, he washed his hands to symbolize the blood is on the local jews hands not his...

[–] tvfan (8751) 14 days ago

Yes. They were converted Edomites pretending to be Jews ‘scribes and Pharisees’ (same as 98% of modern Jewry).

Actual Israelites are scattered worldwide.

They were not real Jews, but pretenders: Rev 3:9

[–] chilidoggg (13209) 9 days ago

Only thing Romans gave a shit about was collecting the taxes and killing anyone who interfered with the economy. If Jesus's antics at the Temple cost the Romans a nickel, he's OUTTA HERE!

[–] DMT (3916) 9 days ago

Jesus said, "Give to the Romans as the Romans are due", he wasn't a threat to them and they never saw him as one, they killed him at the demands of the jews

[–] chilidoggg (13209) 9 days ago

No one told Romans what they can and what they can't do.

[–] DMT (3916) 8 days ago

The Roman where there to collect taxes and keep their empire running, the jews demanded Jesus dead and the Roman reluctantly agreed

[–] tvfan (8751) 8 days ago

Murderers and their accomplices.

[–] Rorikon (16509) 8 days ago

It wasn't a really an agreement per se but more like a, "hey, power to the people, the crowd has chosen. whatever happens ain't our fault as we wash our hands of blood from this."

[–] moviebuff00 (439) 9 days ago

yes it was the jews and mel gibson portrayed it in the passion of the christ. that's why they hated him so bad.

[–] almonigal (1160) 9 days ago

Lets start simple. What is a jew?

[–] Keelai (32147) 8 days ago

Great question! No consensus. Religion, culture and/or ancestry:

"There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the survey makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion, ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those things, and many choose some combination of them. In fact, among the most common answers – expressed by about one-in-five U.S. Jews (19%) – is that being Jewish is about religion, ancestry and culture.

Similar shares say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) or just ancestry (21%). About half as many (11%) say being Jewish is mainly about religion alone. The remainder give other responses, such as that being Jewish is about both ancestry and culture (10%).

All told, about half mention ancestry among their responses (52%). A similar share point to culture either alone or in combination with other answers (55%). But fewer mention religion (36%), suggesting that most U.S. Jews do not see being Jewish as primarily about religion."
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/

[–] Rorikon (16509) 8 days ago

I wonder the % of zionists within the Jew population. Must be pretty high. You can already see how power the Jew are when they're appearing in television and calling protestors as terrorists that should be locked up.

[–] Keelai (32147) 8 days ago

It's complicated. Majority of American Jews are against the abusive treatment of Palestinians by Israelis. That abuse is contrary to Judaism which is about compassion and humanity. Besides, most are liberal and support human rights.

Most believe in a two-state or one-state solution with equal rights for both.

Initially, most Jews were against creating a Jewish state, but the Holocaust changed that.

I found a young Jewish anti-Zionist group link explaining anti-Zionism. The term is very broad with different interpretations:

"“Anti-Zionism” is a loose term referring to criticism of the current policies of the Israeli state, and/or moral, ethical, or religious criticism of the idea of a Jewish nation-state. There has been debate, criticism and opposition to Zionism within Jewish thought for as long as it has existed. Jewish anti-Zionists span a political and religious spectrum, from religious and secular progressives who view opposition to Zionism as an anti-racist praxis, to ultra-Orthodox Jews who oppose Jewish dominion until the time of the Messiah, to anarchist Jews who oppose the very concept of nation-states, Jewish or otherwise."
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/

[–] almonigal (1160) 8 days ago

So... Anti-semitism is having something against jews, BUT ... We have no definition of jews.
And worse still, there are actual organizations who struggle to define antosemitism, disregarding that there is no consensus on the definition of what a jew is?

[–] Keelai (32147) 8 days ago

Yep! The ethnic/cultural definition becomes more complicated because Jews don't really share a single culture. ex. Russian Jews have their own language, cuisine, music, etc.. which are different from Moroccan Jews.

Israeli Zionists attempted to redefine and create a new Jewish definition which is why they forced Jews to change their names and learn modern Hebrew.

And now Zionists are attempting to define anti-Semitism to include any criticism of Israel or its politicians which is insane. Americans can criticize our government, but not Israel's?

Judaism = ethnoreligious
Zionism = political ideology

Both different. I can dislike Netanyahu and his policies without being anti-Semitic in the same way I can dislike Biden's policies without being anti-American.

[–] almonigal (1160) 8 days ago

Apparently not. If you dislike Netanyahu's policies you are antisemitic and will go to jail.

Its not about jews, antisemitism, war, palestinians etc.

Its about the fact that the citizens of the most powerful country in the world are ok with just getting it up the ass from some bullshit israel lobby.

How spineless are usa citizens ? You fight 1000 wars so sone other country corrupts your politicians and dictates what you can think?

[–] maixiu (708) 8 days ago

"How spineless are usa citizens ? You fight 1000 wars so sone other country corrupts your politicians and dictates what you can think?"

You might be confusing cause and effect.

[–] almonigal (1160) 8 days ago

The effect is us citizens cannot criticize whatever a.3rd party organization decides.
What is the cause? And how does it justify the effect?

[–] moviechatterer (13558) 8 days ago

You can start simpler than that.

God sent his son to help us to be nice.
Humans collectively , regardless of which god-book was their favorite, nailed him to a tree.

I imagine thats the way god would see it.
Surprised he didnt flood the place again.

Especially with the humans taunting him by hanging depictions of this murder in the churches and round their necks.

[–] almonigal (1160) 8 days ago

Thats an interesting approach.
People actually wear around the neck a representation of an instrument of torture.