Everyone knows 2020 was rigged to fuck (the idea that Joe Biden - a walking carcass who nobody likes - was the most popular President in American history is gut-bustingly funny) so, despite Trump’s massive and growing popularity, what’s to stop the Dems just rigging themselves to victory again?
If Biden "wins" again in '24, it's going to be even more blatantly obvious. Even BLM, the group that was employed to destroy confidence in Trump before the last election, supports him over Biden now.
share[–] whynotwriteme (6686) a day agoJust who organized this employment and deployment of BLM? Is there some paper trail and or bank records that we can follow?
If Biden "wins" again in '24, it's going to be even more blatantly obvious. Even BLM, the group that was employed to destroy confidence in Trump before the last election, supports him over Biden now.
So you have already decided there will be fraud, even though it does not exist yet?
I have heard of only a single person associated with BLM (Fisher) that supports Trump. Who are the rest?
According to you the Democrats outsmarted all you Republicans by rigging the 2020 election involving thousands if not millions of co-conspirators across state lines without getting caught. Republicans haven't produced one shred of evidence to prove the election was stolen. Not one bit! Funny, you call Democrats stupid. You can save Trump if you would just post evidence that the 2020 election was rigged.
shareI'm a private citizen. The burden isn't upon me to prove election fraud, but for the government to prove it conducted fair elections. At this point the evidence is circumstantial and is impossible for normal voters to prove without authority to do so, not to mention the folly of trying to prove election fraud to people like you who probably wouldn't even care. Considering that people have been clamoring for certain safeguards to our elections, and the fact that such proposals are ignored, it's obvious that those in power want the elections to be open to abuse. Regardless, if a sizable portion of the voting population thinks that elections are rigged, that's a huge problem, regardless of whether you think those people are wrong, stupid, etc. Just the fact that people who call for certain safeguards get scoffed at tells me all that I need to know, since the "winning" side isn't actually interested in fair elections.
shareSo like everyone else who claims that the 2020 election was stolen you have no proof. Everything in your post is pure nonsense.
shareAgain, I can't possibly prove anything since I don't have the authority to audit the results, but the government's actions don't fill me with confidence. Regardless, the nation is going to fall apart over this "nonsense," so why not support measures that add extra safeguards to elections? If the elections are fair, what do you have to lose? If I'm so horrible and stupid, why am I a vocal proponent of fair elections?
Even setting aside actual fraud, I don't even like the fact that counties submit their results at different times, since it opens up the potential of abuse. Why should I trust leftist political operatives, who have such contempt for us (people like you), to treat us fairly to begin with? I call B.S. on it all, and I don't have to prove it. They need to prove that we have fair elections.
Why is it a problem all of a sudden and wasn't before? Just because Trump claimed so?
Signed, million man.
both Trump and Biden said the election was going to be rigged. afterwards, Biden said it was a fair election. it would be like complaining you are going to lose by cheating before every football and then when you win, you say there was no cheating.
sharerobocat -
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, no one had a shred of evidence for Russia, Russia, Russia either and it didn't stop the libs from pushing that narrative for over 2 years.
If they can do it, then Trump has a right to do it too, and yes, even with no evidence.
The biggest issue I see with this is the fact that Trump has a lot of power over his constituents. In fact, J6 could have been a lot worse. All Trump had to do was to actually tell them to get violent and I have no doubt that they would have. The capitol building could have easily been sacked.
I'm not talking about the 2016 election or Russia so try to keep up. I'm asking for evidence that so many claim to have yet nobody has provided that the 2020 election was rigged. Not one single person. I know it's a shocker to you but Trump really lost in 2020 and he will lose in 2024 too.
The Jan 6 insurrection was violent. Trump could have told his moron supporters to stop rioting on Jan 6 but he didn't until hours later then he praised those morons.
>> I know it's a shocker to you but Trump really lost<<
I wouldn't say his loss was a shocker, but it is hard to believe that Biden got over 80 million votes, that would be the most in US history by a pretty big margin. That's the real shocker...
But it is what it is...
>>> Trump could have told his moron supporters to stop rioting<<<
Trump did tell people to cut it out shortly after it started. Of course, you knew this but wanted to throw some misinformation into the game. It's alright, you are a robocat, you can only do what the NPC chip currently installed tells you to.
You guys are worse than lizard people....
>>and he will lose in 2024 too.<<
So you think he won't get convicted of any crimes? Interesting...
no one had a shred of evidence for Russia, Russia, Russia either
The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, a U.S. official has confirmed to NPR.
"Before, there was confidence about the fact that Russia interfered," the official says. "But there was low confidence on what the direction and intentionality of the interference was. Now they [the CIA] have come to the conclusion that Russia was trying to tip the election to Trump."
The official adds: "The reason the assessment changed is that new information became available" since Oct. 7, when the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence released a joint statement accusing Russia of interfering with the American election process.
The CIA? lol.
Mueller had years to dig, and found NOTHING. The CIA can go fuck themselves.
Truth hurts you little triggered snowflake!
shareThier analysis makes no sense AND does not claim the real MEAT of the false scandal, ie COLLUSION.
Nothing snowflake about not buying the shit that cia is selling. You can trust the spies if you want. Lord knows a trained intelligence agent would never LIE to you.
LOL.
Keep crying, Goober. I use your tears to salt my french fries! 🍟😭 It's hilarious that you get so upset when someone is mean to your orange master. You're really going to lose it when Trump is convicted for treason and he will never be president again. Sucks for you!
shareLOL. Your fail is noted. Go fuck youself.
shareTriggered again. You are such a little snowflake pussy!
shareYou're using the word wrong again. Try to be less stupid. And go fuck yourself.
After the release of both reports, they proved that there was no Russian interference or collusion.
It also proved that the CIA lied along with HRC and her accomplices.
It also proved that NPR is just another fake news and propaganda mouthpiece for the DS/Swamp.
It also proves how mind-controlled and brainwashed leftoids are by MSM.
Safeguards like ending mail in voting and no early voting? Even though these things existed for years prior to 2020 and no one raised alarms.
shareI never said ending mail-in voting. That's you creating an argument to refute in your head. I'm aware that there are people who physically cannot go to the polls but who still have the right to vote. 2020 added mass mail-in voting on a scale not seen before, and highlighted some of the problems.
shareSorry it was a knee jerk reaction before I read your other comments. Some people are against mail-in voting altogether.
shareRight, no need for you to vote.
shareIf we don't vote then they win outright. Even if voting doesn't matter, it's still a placeholder until whatever happens, happens.
shareIts not who votes but who counts the votes.
shareThe GOP who counted the votes said Trump lost. https://www.wired.com/story/trump-voter-fraud-election-no-proof/
shareWell, we have a better picture regarding how the fraud works. The good news is that they don't control the elections outright, or else Trump wouldn't have won in 2016. I think they were overconfident in 2016 and were caught with their pants down, so they (the elected and unelected cogs in the government wheel, etc.) figured they'd mutiny against Trump for four years and ensure that 2020 goes their way.
It seems that they only really target swing states for the most part, and it probably costs money to grease political operatives' palms. I think they'd prefer to remove Trump from the ballot, but they will still steal it again if all else fails. The problem is that it's going to be all the more obvious now that Biden has proven to be a failure. It's possible that Trump wins, but only if certain factions who feel betrayed decide not to ride out for him again, but I give Trump less than a 5% chance, especially now that our enemies are behind the levers of power again.
There would have to have been some serious ground game in swing states to prevent more Dem rigging and I see no evidence of this, nothing has been done to secure American elections, as far as I’m aware.
They’re using the most egregious lawfare tactics to keep Trump from running. If there’s any fairness left whatsoever in the courts they’ll fail, but I’m rapidly losing faith in American courts. They’ll almost certainly rig the election, and if by some miracle Trump wins and is allowed to take office, I would be astonished if they don’t kill him and/or members of his family.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that somehow the Democrats rigged the 2020 election. This would have involved thousands if not millions of people somehow getting organized and without a single problem or even a glitch stole the election from the Republicans without leaving a trace. Maybe you have proof of that because no one else does.
shareAt least he's actually asking the right questions...Because if, in fact, it was all a nefarious plan that culminated in a stolen election, why the hell wouldn't we do it again in 2024?
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Yeah... The Democrats are so good at rigging elections why won't they do it again?
share" The good news is that they don't control the elections outright, or else Trump wouldn't have won in 2016."
Did you hear that , thats a maga with some sort of remaining cognitive function.
He's actually looked at some simple facts and reached a correct real world conclusion!
Who knows where he could go from there !
He could look at some more obvious facts and maybe be "The One" . The maga who finally realises the emperor has no clothes.
They don't need millions of people. They only need operatives in metropolitan areas of swing states to tip the balance enough to take the electoral vote. The less populous red districts report their totals first, which opens up the opportunity to make up the difference in the larger cities while they stall (if they're clean about it, they might be able to use people already on the voter rolls who didn't vote to fabricate ballots); hence, why states such as Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, etc., were so unnecessarily delayed beyond anything we've ever seen when we used paper ballots. With electronic voting, there is no excuse for the winner to be declared after over a week. Get real.
If the government wants people to have faith in the elections then they need to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, but they don't because this is what they want, and people like you are all to willing to either turn or blind eye or simply not care. The problem is, the reason we have elections, rules, etc., is so that we don't kill each other every time there needs to be a transfer of power, but a lot of us are now wondering why we should honor elections that appear suspicious (again, the onus is on government to prove that the elections are fair, not for Joe Six-Pack to prove the opposite, which is impossible).
Also, my position isn't that I'm trying to steal elections. All I'm asking for is additional safeguards and transparency, etc., so that people can trust the elections. If the election was so clean, then what would you risk?
Lower your hackles, Fido. There is no way I'm going to read all that. Just show your proof that the 2020 election was stolen. It's a simple request.
sharePerhaps you should read it Fido and actually learn something instead of running away like a total puss when someone's got the goods on you and you have no leg to stand on and defend yourself excrpt name calling dick??
sharethats all roboincel can do is call people names. and post conspiracy cat memes
shareIf an election was stolen and it was to your favor, would you even care?
shareYou have to be an incredibly dumb fuck to believe that Joe Biden, a walking carcass who nobody likes, was the most popular President in American history, after an election filled with postal voting, delayed ballot counts among a host of electoral ‘fortifications’.
Even the fact that you weren't allowed to call the election fraudulent online tells you everything, you gullible twat.
"Even the fact that you weren't allowed to call the election fraudulent online tells you everything, you gullible twat."
That part shouldn't be understated. They didn't even censor two decades of "9/11 was an inside job," wherein the government was accused of outright murdering thousands of Americans, but multiple media platforms immediately censored accusations of election fraud.
Even if, for the sake of argument, the election was on the level, none of their subsequent actions have made me second guess myself. If they really wanted people to have faith in the elections they would add safeguards (for example, mail-in ballots requiring notarization, districts reporting results at the same time, etc.). The fact that blatantly obvious safeguards are not implemented is enough to conclude that they want the elections open to abuse.
Yep, its hard to keep up with all the irregularities that magically resulted in a carcass as the most popular President ever.
Time Magazine even boasted about how the Left ‘fortified’ the election with a ‘Shadow Campaign’:
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Do you know how many thousands of people across dozens of states use mail-in voting (some have been doing it for well ober a decade) and how much of a hindrance it would be to get every envelope notarized? Not to mention the cost to getting it notarized would essentially become a poll tax. But even if notarization for elections was free it would still be a huge obstacle.
I don't see what the big deal is if districts report at different times. I imagine it has to do with the voting population of each district and the staffing and logistics. Are you arguing that districts report at the same time no matter what even if they aren't done counting? Because that would be like dumping ballots.
The one thing that I would compromise on is presenting an ID. I don't agree with it, don't think it should be a requirement, and I've personally never had to present ID when I've voted. It wouldn't inconvenience me if it became a rule but it would disenfranchise some and elections should be for everyone regardless of socioeconomic status. But sometimes it's easier to give the baby his bottle so he'll stop crying about insecure elections.
Conventional notarization is only one option. I think some states opened up remote notarization options due to COVID-19, but with today's technology I'm sure that there can be other means to ensure one vote per person, such as a security number that is associated with the mail-in ballot, etc. In other words, something to prevent one person from using another person's ballot.
The poll tax argument is overdone I think, especially considering all of the licenses and taxes we require just to exist. Regardless, I would make such services free to the public. I'd rather our tax dollars be used for legitimate government services than to give billions of dollars to Ukraine against the will of the taxpayers. If we are stuck on the notary option only, they could bill the government for voting-related services.
My problem with districts revealing their vote totals at different times is that the larger districts might know exactly how many more ballots are required to change the election result. With today's technology, I wouldn't be surprised if they can access voter rolls to fabricate ballots for actual people who might not have voted. This is why people were so angry at the 2020 delays in the swing states. Even if there was no fraud, the appearance of impropriety is bad enough. Games of poker are more strict than our damn elections.
Regarding the baby and his bottle and voter ID, why is it that people like me are expected to be responsible adults, wherein I'm required to pay taxes, pay license fees, ensure my children go to school, etc., but all of these other mythical people who are used to prevent us from safeguard our elections would be too put off to use an ID to vote in an election? And I'm not talking about actual people with disabilities. Poor people can get IDs too.
Regarding conventional notarization, even if free, would defeat the purpose of mail in voting which is about convenience. If I had to show up somewhere to get my envelope notarized I might as well vote in person. I'm not familiar with how remote notarization works so can't really comment but if it isn't quick, hassle-free and convenient then why bother.
You could add a security number that is associated with the mail-in ballot I suppose. It would be another number people would have to memorize, another database for the government to run and safeguard against hacking. What if someone loses or forgets their security number? You'd probably miss the election by the time that was sorted out. You or I might not make that mistake but elderly people who vote in huge numbers?
"The larger districts might know exactly how many more ballots are required to change the election result." They might know this and also have zero intention of commiting a crime which could land them in jail. The larger districts still have to count every vote.
R/ your last paragraph, that's why I'm willing to compromise on that one, it's not super difficult if one is willing. Still, the counter argument is the single mom who would like to participate but chooses to spend $60 on food instead of getting the state issued ID with her photo (driving license or other) that allows her to register to vote.
A notary typically only requires that you sign a document within their presence, so I'd imagine that remote notarization would work similarly. People with cell phones and photo ID could do that much easily enough.
The authentication number could be something that is generated like a 2-step verification process, so it doesn't necessarily need to be a memorized number. We do the same with email accounts and such.
I might be too impatient for that but maybe in practice it wouldn't be too bad. I have no idea if there are enough notaries to make it run smoothly. They'd need to process millions of envelopes quickly. And the government would have to spend millions subsidizing the notary fees & maybe the notaries' time.
Using email accounts these days, especially for something like this, seems less secure than the tried and true paper methods to me at least.
You're right, you caught us! We rigged the election in 2020 and we'll do it again next year and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
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While we appreciate the confession… everybody knows this already.
shareMay as well stay home next November!
shareExactly the plan - rig the election so blatantly so that non-Leftists lose faith in the electoral system and don’t bother voting.
Again, thanks for the confession.
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shareNot clicking your link to see some lame gif. If you have a point, make it. Clearly you dont.
shareI agree, Trump is pretty lame!
shareThat’s not what you said when Trump signed the Federal Animal Cruelty Bill into Law.
Or are you now supporting the intentional acts of animal cruelty?
Retarded kids like yourself really shouldn't attempt political discussion.
shareRetarded kids like you shouldn't claim that the 2020 election was rigged then offer no evidence of your claim. I don't get it. You and the other Trump supporting morons here continue to claim that the 2020 election was rigged yet never provide proof of those claims. Why is that? Your stupidity continues.
shareI am still waiting for proof that Russia hijacked the election.
2016 Presidential Election
Joe Biden, 2019: “I absolutely” agree that Trump is an “illegitimate president.”
Hillary Clinton, 2019: The election was “stolen.”
Jimmy Carter, 2019: “Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and was put into office because the Russians interference on his behalf.”
Kamala Harris, 2019: “Absolutely right” that Trump “didn’t really win.”
Karine Jean-Pierre, 2016: It was a “stolen election.”
Jerry Nadler, 2017: It was a “tainted” and “illegitimate” election.
Nancy Pelosi: The 2016 election was hijacked.
[–] Melton (559) 5 hours agoIf the Election, the Electoral College, the Election Administration, and the Voters were all "Rigged" Blatantly wouldn't there be people, systems, Judges, Courthouses, Voting Machines, Ballots, paper trails, Money trails all readily accessible and available to see, view and unravel this vast election project and infrastructure?
Exactly the plan - rig the election so blatantly so that non-Leftists lose faith in the electoral system and don’t bother voting.
Again, thanks for the confession.
If Lieutenant Columbo can't figure it out, then no one can!
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Oh, just one more thing...
sharewhat’s to stop the Dems just rigging themselves to victory again?
Yeah you're right , the Dems know a secret magic trick to rig elections and leave no trace whatsoever , it must be driving you nuts how they did it ?
Like when David Copperfield made the statue of liberty disappear?
I guess with magic like that up their sleeves you may as well give up now , save your campaign donations.
Except that they left a host of irregularities resulting in a walking carcass who nobody likes becoming the most popular President in American history 🤣
shareYeah they just picked him to annoy you guys.
They had a young , knowledgeable , charismatic , politically experienced guy .... but it wasnt funny enough.
same principle as Boaty McBoatface.
No, they picked it because it was the best they had.
share[–] Melton (558) 6 minutes ago...and DJT and MAGA-World still couldn't snatch Victory from the Jaws of Defeat. 🤔🤣😎 share
No, they picked it because it was the best they had.
Thats cos them commie dems have got some sort of election-hack remember ?
so they can basically put anyone up and get them in.
I reckon next time go with Pauly Shore, or Bobcat Goldthwaite
[–] moviechatterer (11743) a minute agoRonald Reagan, Actor
I reckon next time go with Pauly Shore, or Bobcat Goldthwaite
oh that guy , yeah he'd be good , I seem remember he has trouble distinguishing movies and reality
Yeah… because the Dems rigged the election, remember?
shareYou can look up the incidents of actual fraud from the 2020 election. I remember reading some guy or lady voted for Trump twice and was caught. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened on the Democrat side. The point is there was no outcome determinative fraud meaning there was some fraud (always is) but nothing that would have changed the outcome of the election.
Biden is not the most popular President. He won the popular vote but that's hardly a barometer for nationwide popularity. Most people I know didn't vote for Biden because he was their guy, they voted for Biden to stop Trump. I've seen this sentiment echoed across conversations and media platforms nationwide (perhaps not media you view). Maybe in your circles Trump is very popular so it's hard for you to accept that enough people did not like him in 2020.
Didn't really make much of a difference, did it? I agree Trump was a fool, but Biden turned out to be one too, especially a puppet. Like Trump wasted half of his career playing golf, Biden wasted half of his career going on vacation, even one time when there was a disaster happening somewhere in America recently. He should have stepped forward immediately.
Also, Biden played his part in prices going up, even if he wasn't the biggest instigator. We were a little more comfortable under Trump, even if he did foolish things like downplay Covid.
I'm not as negative on Biden as you but I do have significant issues with him. Still, yo-yoing back to Trump can't be the answer.
If there was a magic deal that would make it so Trump could not run for president in '24 but the price was Chris Christie or Mitt Romney would run and beat Biden, I'd have to think long and hard on that one.
Bullshit. Under Trump the world was at peace and America was thriving, everyone was working and wealthy. As soon as the Dems rigged Biden into power the wars start across the world (including gifting the Taliban $85bn of US military equipment) and everyone becomes poor as inflation goes through the roof.
Anyone paying attention can see that Trump is an excellent President who improves the lives of everyone. The only reason some people loathe him is because they're dumb sheep who download their opinions from the mainstream media. While this will account for a slice of the population, most people could see their lives improving under Trump and wanted him to have a second term.
He clearly won 2020 (and actually increased his vote count from 2016), yet magically a walking carcass who nobody likes becomes the most popular President in American history, in an election rife with irregularities, which you’re not allowed to question 🤣
The only question now is… will the Dems successfully rig 2024 as well?
America was thriving? Did you forget about the pandemic that so undermined our economy that gas prices went down a ton from lack of demand? Of course you didn't forget. You know the economy took a huge hit under Trump, you just think Trump supporters are stupid enough to not know about it.
Part of your problem is that you don't know how elections work in the USA. Just because Trump got more votes in 2020 than in 2016 does not make him the winner. Trump got fewer electoral votes than Biden; that is why he lost.
Think about it, Trump was so unpopular with his rapey and gun grabbing ways, that he lost to a mumbler who is even closer to the grave than he is. How pathetic. Why do you want Trump back in the White House? The GOP has a responsibility to nominate a winner, not a proven loser like Trump.
Biden screwed up big with the Afghanistan withdrawal I agree with you on that.
I stated above that Biden isn't popular. Winning the popular vote does not automatically mean popular. In Biden's case it meant adequate or necessary. A means to an end.
If Trump clearly won he'd be president. It sucks when your preferred candidate loses because it feels like you're not being heard politically.
The first time I could vote in a presidential election my candidate lost. It's deflating. It feels like your causes sorta die too. The person I voted for didn't complain about the vicious and very successful attack ads made against him during the campaign. He didn't cast doubt on the entire system souring people like you against it. He accepted the loss and moved on.
If you care that much about Trump maybe you should work to make him more electable next time. Claiming fraud without proof is weak.
Volunteer for the campaign. There's gota be someone close by doing a phone bank. I've done them before, they're not easy, but at least you'll have contributed to the cause in a tangible way. I didn't do this before that first election. Years later when I phone banked for a different candidate it was rough at times talking to strangers about why I was supporting candidate X, but rewarding. You learn a lot talking to people from all around the country. And when the guy I was supporting lost their campaign it stung a little less because at least I tried.
Stop trying to gaslight people into believing 2020 wasn’t rigged. It clearly was and everyone knows it, including you.
shareAccording to you the Democrats outsmarted all you Republicans by rigging the 2020 election involving thousands if not millions of co-conspirators across state lines without getting caught. Republicans haven't produced one shred of evidence to prove the election was stolen. Not one bit! Funny, you call Democrats stupid. You can save Trump if you would just post evidence that the 2020 election was rigged. Why do you refuse to post your proof that you say you have?
Trump, Giuliani, Lindell, Powell, etc... All have claimed that the 2020 election was rigged and all would release the evidence that they claim to have yet they haven't released anything. Why is that? These are the people you stupidly support.
I honestly do not believe the 2020 election was stolen and don't think I know anyone personally who does besides my friend's dad who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's not long after he fell into hard right Trumpian politics.
shareYou are guys fell into Bidenista Politics. According to democrats, elections are only stolen when they lose.
share[–] Melton (576) 26 minutes ago“Gaslighting”: in politics
Stop trying to gaslight people into believing 2020 wasn’t rigged. It clearly was and everyone knows it, including you.
Bryant Welch is obviously some dumb Dem bitch and a bogus ‘psychologist’ ironically trying to gaslight the public into hating Trump, despite Trump demonstrably improving the lives of everyone at home and abroad.
The fact that you would put stock in that obvious charlatan, or NBC News, is disturbing and should worry you.