Aren't Greta's latest antics somewhat tone deaf given we currently have an attempt to bomb people out of existence happening at the same time?
Isn't taking yourself off on overseas trips to protest against climate change a nice to have at the best of times but simply insulting to those being bombed / starved at the moment?
She's completely irrelevant!!
share“bomb terrorists and terrorist sympathizers out of existence”
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Yeah, because the young kids I'm seeing pictures of lying dead, covered in rumble, on hospital trolleys were obviously terrorists 😂
How can people be so brainwashed to either side of this horror show?
"Yeah, because the young kids I'm seeing pictures of lying dead, covered in rumble, on hospital trolleys were obviously future terrorists"
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That's the obvious problem and that's what Hamas wants: keep a regime of terrorism so any retaliation breeds more dissent and breeds the future generation of terrorists. That's one way to stay in power while disregarding your own citizens and their lives/fate.
So you believe Israel's current course of action is correct?
They should literally slaughter the entire population so that no "future terrorists" could possibly exist to threaten them?
How about pictures of headed babies??
Never forget who started this.
Also, keep in mind who it is that hides behind innocent civilians with the intent that many will die in the crossfire and thus fuel international rage on their behalf.
So do you also believe that Israel's course of action is correct and that they should slaughter every single person in Gaza to ensure these tactics cannot go on?
shareLol, hyperbole much?
Btw, HAMAS returning hostages today, means bombing stops today.
Be sure to post that on all your pro Palestinian sites.
LOL, no hyperbole.
Genuine thought experiment question to show the absurdity of extremist positions on either side. As I said further up, I'm not sure how people who place themselves on either side can be so brainwashed...
So, will you answer - Given that they probably literally could, should the Israelis exterminate every last one of them to ensure no future terrorists / them using people as human shields?
Even Israeli government refused to endorse that story.
It is the usual lie, like the Iraqi soldiers killing babies story before.
"They should literally slaughter the entire population so that no "future terrorists" could possibly exist to threaten them?"
What do you base your assessment that this is the Israeli's course of action on??
Israeli's said they will wipe out Hamas, are you suggesting that all Gaza's population is Hamas?
"So you believe Israel's course of action is correct?"
So you believe Hamas's course of action is correct?
https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-gaza-leader-we-will-wipe-out-israel-not-disarm-689585
To wipe out all of Israelis of the face of Earth?
So do you support Hama's terrorist and rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel? So do you support the kidnappings and killings (even babies? - if that's true) committed by the Hamas? So do you support terrorism and criminals of war? Do you support the attack on civilians at a concert?
Are you fucking serious?
What do you base your assessment that this is the Israeli's course of action on??
I think Israel is free and allowed do defend itself from terrorism.
You should ask why is Hamas maintaining this war and this terror and why they use human shields and why they use the status quo to indoctrinate more people and more children.
"You equated Palestinian children with terrorists" - that NOT what I did. I equated those children with future terrorists.
Do you support the indoctrination of children and transforming them into future terrorists?
https://www.thereporter.com/2015/08/10/palestinian-children-endure-another-summer-of-hate-indoctrination/amp/
"Instead, monstrous adults have poisoned them to hate, taught them falsified history, trained them to kill, and programmed them to believe that death, while killing the enemy infidel, is better than life. What a tragedy to deny these children of a future that they, my grandchildren — and all children — deserve."
And let's not forget that Hamas is using those children as human shields. Do you support the sacrifice of children as human shields?
But somehow you don't have a problem with any of these.
Let me tell you this: if you agree to be used as a human shield ... I don't give a shit if you die. Period. You are as bad as the terrorists that YOU protect!
I'm not sure why you keeping going on about Hamas? I never mentioned them to you...
I don't disagree with what you are saying re them. They are terrorists, who killed a lot of Israelis and I'm sure would be glad to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.
But that's not what I asked you. You equated the young kids I was seeing lying dead, covered in rubble, to "future terrorists".
Therefore I was, quite specifically, asking you if you viewed Israel exterminating every single last one of them, as a viable means of stopping future terrorism, as a positive course of action and something they should persue?
No, what you asked was "So you believe Israel's current course of action is correct?" . Can you focus?
Or it was just your bias that made you frame the question like that, implying that Israel is intentionally killing children?
First you have to define WHAT is Israel's current course of action - which is different than what I think they should do.
And of course to prove that the bomb was Israelis and that was intended to kill the children.
btw, from an article:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shows-foreign-press-raw-hamas-bodycam-videos-of-murder-torture-decapitation/
"In a two-part video segment recorded in two Israeli communities near the Gaza border, a home security camera shows a father scooping up his two young sons to run to their outdoor bomb shelter, the three of them just roused from their beds and all still in underwear.
Moments after they enter presumed safety, a hand appears onscreen, tossing a grenade in after the family. The father dies, and the boys exit, covered in his blood."
So you have NO problems with Hamas directly killing or trying to kill children, the problem is only when Israelis accidentally kills children. Nice one.
"In the second segment, captured through a call recording application on a victim’s phone, a different son reaches out to a different father. “Dad, I killed 10 with my bare hands,” the terrorist excitedly tells his father in Gaza. “Their blood is on my hands, let me speak to Mom.”
“Please be proud of me, Dad,” he adds.
Something that you again would agree with, right? And that kid should NOT be considered a terrorist.
And I never said that it's ok to kill the children or to exterminate all of them - that's a strawman, but the fact is that a lot of those children ARE future terrorists. If it's ok or not to kill them ... I bet some of us would have no problems going back in time to kill Hitler while he was still a child.
😂 LOL - I was wondering how long it would be before you pulled out "strawman"!
Hahaha, please never change...
You described the kids I said I'd seen lying dead, covers in rumble, in a hospital as "future terrorists". I asked you in reply, whether they should just kill all of them. Thus far you have failed to answer the question but that's cool - I never really expected you to.
Every single time I get into a discussion with you, you try to pivot a discussion and pull "strawman" out your ass. Every. single. time. It's hilarious.
Here's another example of that attempted pivoting:-
So you have NO problems with Hamas directly killing or trying to kill children, the problem is only when Israelis accidentally kills children. Nice one.
Dude, your focus was solely on the palestinian kids from the start, you added the bits about how "both sides are in the wrong" and that you don't support terrorists only after I started questioning you, along with others.
If you would be nonbiased you would have decried both acts, you chose to blame only one side and focus only on Israel's attack.
And I have to remind you again which was your question because it seems that you keep forgetting:
So you believe Israel's current course of action is correct?
Do you fucking understand your own question??? How biased it is and how it paints Israelis as genocidal maniacs that kill children on purpose?
And YES, they ARE future terrorists. That says nothing about what I would do or what Israelis should do. It's an OBSERVATION. FACTUAL.
That says nothing about what I would do or what Israelis should do...
Dude, it's irrelevant what I would do, and for the fourth time, YOU DIDN'T FUCKING ASK THAT.
Your question is:
"So you believe Israel's current course of action is correct?"
Again, DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN QUESTION?
And you REFUSED to specify what do YOU think it's Israel's current course of action.
Then you moved the goalpost to what I would do or if I would agree with some genocide. Which is a stupid question.
But in the end the question is easy: better for yours to die than mine. If you continue killing innocents on my side and your innocents are not so innocents since they WILLINGLY provide the human shield for you and support your actions, guess what, collateral victims are ok in this case.
Do I support the genocide and targeting of innocent children? NO!
But ultimately is their choice (or their parents) to provide human shields to Hamas so it's THEIR choice to be in the line of fire.
If I say: I'm going to bomb that area, so please leave and you stay there sorry but it is your choice and it shows that you have already been indoctrinated and that you support the terrorists. Plain and simple.
Happy now?
All evidence indicates that it was the terrorists' own rocket that hit the hospital.
shareYeah, terrorists tried to kill their own people.
Russia blew up their own pipeline.
I wonder if people actually believe any of that.
Thank you. It's such obvious State Department propaganda it's cringe.
shareYes, government did a lot of lying, but I think both of these lies and many more were started by the mainstream media, and even they say the stories were from government sources but I think they knew very well what they wrote were lies, so clearly they worked together, and sometimes you wonder which controls which.
sharenope. Different terrorists.
I don't know if it's true or not but I wouldn't be surprised.
Different terrorists? Where did you read that? Or are you just making things up?
shareSigh, so you're highly misinformed and spread that misinformation around?
The Israeli army said it was caused by an errant rocket fired by the armed group Palestinian Islamic Jihad - different terrorist group, not Hamas.
It's all over the internet, but here:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html
CNN? You mean the fake news network?
The problem is that Israel actually admitted it before:
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714752723394990150
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714358349607682270
CNN was the first link I found with google, I can give you more than CNN if you insist and you don't know how to use google.
Hananya Naftali???
You make me laugh. A social media influencer admitted it?
Are you for real? A lot of Americans "admit" that the Earth is flat, does that mean that the US government admits that the Earth is flat?
Read:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/oct/19/explaining-a-deleted-x-post-that-said-israel-is-re/
"He later wrote on X that he’d deleted the first post because it had inaccurate information about Israel’s involvement and had been based on a Reuters headline that later changed."
Hananya Naftali was the Israeli government spokesman. I think you and I both know what he said was the truth, after that was just being shameless.
The only reasons I can think of for defending Israel that shamelessly is either you are Israeli or at least Jewish, or you are paid to do this, then again a lot of people here are paid shills.
I bet at least some of the other accounts defending Israel here were your sock accounts or "team mates", because the way they went silent once you answered.
"Hananya Naftali was the Israeli government spokesman."
WAS - as in te past, and not officially, he was NEVER the Israeli government spokesman, but a digital media influencer for the prime minister.
https://www.newsunzip.com/wiki/hananya-n
"a former member of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s communications staff. " - far from being NOW a government spokesman.
You are just full of shit.
"because the way they went silent once you answered." people have lives you dipshit, no one stays to instantly reply to your ignorance.
I'm not defending Israel, i'm putting the blame where it is: Hamas. Did you forget how this all shit started? And the attack on the hospital is still not clear who did it.
The better question is: will the government investigate you for being paid by the terrorists? Are you planning an attack on US soil with those funds?
The insults only show your desperation.
shareWhat insults? Those are facts. You have none. Only misinformation.
And btw, you started with "you are paid" and insults. So by your own admission, you are quite desperate.
Tell me again how is ok for Hamas to target innocent civilians and children but if Israel (let's say it was their bomb) are in the wrong when Hamas uses human shields that willingly protect them.
The reality is everyone of the Hamas terrorists that slaughtered people at the music festival were once young kids. The young kids in those hospitals in Gaza are going to be brainwashed to become terrorist when they grow up so why bother waiting till they strap on a bomb, just take them out now.
When the Allies were fighting the Nazis they didn't have an issue with burning Dresden to the ground... the same will work for Gaza. Just eliminate it and you don't have to worry about trying to find out who is and isn't a member of Hama. The fact is the people of Gaza elected these terrorist so let them die with them.
There would still be Palestinians in the West Bank and in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan.
Some of the people living in these are directly descended from those displaced in 1948, so one can imagine they'd be pretty radicalised against Israel as well.
Should Israel invade these areas and "take them out now" as well just to be safe?
They might as well. If they don't they will have to sometime in the future. You've got two different groups that hate each other and aren't ever going to get along. After the Palestinians are gone, then Iran could either piss off or Israel could go after them as well. At some point if enough bodies are buried maybe the idiots in the middle east can just stop trying to kill each other... but right now it seems like anything short of complete elimination of one side or the other is just kicking the can down the road that will end in more deaths and more and more.
shareHaha - At least you were honest in mapping this through to it's logical (non) end point of perpetual deaths on either side.
I was trying to get someone else on this thread to say if they'd go to the same position but I don't think you can if you are invested in one side or the other, as they are. There's this fake morality that both sides have which says they're only killing because the other lot "started it" but the truth is, as you said, it's just going to go on and on.
I think you can realistically point to who started this, it was the British that allowed the jews from Europe to move into an area that they had no current ties to, followed by the UN deciding to divide up land the UN had no real say in between the Palestinians and Jews... But frankly everyone that was involved in this start of the mess is long dead so who really was the cause is no longer a concern. You don't see Indians in the USA trying to kill whites because their ancestors tried to kill their ancestors... reasonable people just move on at some point but you have no one in the Middle East that is capable of being reasonable on either side.
shareYeah, I think on the most part you can definitely point a finger at the British for the situation, and in fact it being a consequence of later era European Imperialism.
I'm not sure the exact reasons why the Brits signed off on the Zionist state but, without going too deep into conspiracy theories (!), it may have been in an attempt to draw the USA into WW1.
If so, you have the crazy situation that today, people are still dying as casualties of that war, over a hundred years later!
Before the settlement program was started in the 1920s, apparently Jewish people made up ~10% of the population of Palestine and they lived pretty peacefully alongside the Muslims and Christians in the area.
The hatred only began growing in the following decades, leading up to the UN partition plan.
You do know what you are talking about is genocide, right?
Do you know Gaza has walls on all land borders, even from sea is blockaded by Israeli navy? Even humanitarian aid ships with food and medical supplies could not get through, a large number of those ships were sent in past several decades, but none went through.
From what I understand the only things getting into Gaza were smuggled from Egypt, which has border walls too on the request of Israel, but not as well guarded.
When you do that to people, try to starve them to death, they will become terrorists, and I would not blame them.
Yes, but so what. The reality is neither side is ever going to accept the other. I really don't care which side eliminates the other... but if there is ever going to be any peace in the middle east then one side needs to eliminate the other. At this point you have disgusting actions on both sides so I don't see either side as being morally right. So if you have two wild dogs fighting and know that you can never get them to live together and have no place for either one just let them fight it out until one is dead.
In a perfect world the Egyptians or some other muslim country could have accepted the Palestinians generations ago into their country and everyone could have moved on.... but oddly enough no muslim country wants any Palestinians in their country any more than they want jews... Both seem to be SOL with all the countries in the Middle East. Who knows why.
WOW, you talk about genocide so casually, what happened to people these days?
shareHumans are a tiny speck in the universe, whether one side eliminates the other or not doesn't matter in the big picture... but if one side kills the other completely it might go a long way in ending the never ending conflict in the Middle East.
shareWhen your life is not at stake of course you can say that. Especially if it is your people doing the killing.
Talks like that are only going to encourage thinking such as "Maybe Hitler had a point there".
"Do you know Gaza has walls on all land borders"
Do you know that Arab nations around Palestine refuses to take them in? Gaza has a border with Egypt and Egypt, due to their past experiences and their security concerns, refuses to allow them in. Same for Jordan. Imagine the Hamas starting to attack Israel from Egypt and Jordan. Again.
This is what they did in Jordan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September
"Acting as a state within a state, the fedayeen openly disregarded Jordanian laws and regulations. On two occasions, they attempted to assassinate Hussein, leading to violent confrontations with the Jordanian Armed Forces by June 1970. Hussein wanted to oust them from the country by force, but had been hesitant to strike; he feared that his enemies would leverage such an offensive by equating the Palestinian fighters with civilians"
"Jordan allowed the fedayeen to relocate to Lebanon via Syria. Four years later, the fedayeen became involved in the Lebanese Civil War, which would continue until 1990."
So that is your justification for genocide, because nobody wants those poor people?
I don't know what is wrong with your people.
How much can you be paid to defend this?
Where did I say that???
I said that is NOT only Israel that is blocking them, 2 borders are with Arab states that don't want them, for obvious reasons. That DOESN'T mean that I support genocide, on any sides.
So you are justifying the genocide of Israelis by supporting Hamas, Hamas openly declared that they want to wipe Israel out, but you don't care about that, eh? The fact that they attack and kill civilians and children and want to genocide the Israelis doesn't matter to you?
The better question is "how much are terrorists paying you to defend and support them??"
what's amusing (?) is that when she started she was a minor so the law couldn't do much. she isn't now, so they can
shareLook no further than her whack job Leftist parents.
shareIt's pretty pathetic that you and other whiners on the right are so threatened by a young woman concerned about climate change.
And the same kind of people who feel threatened by Taylor Swift.
Why - given the exact context of that OP - would you assume I was "on the right"?
I feel sorry that so many people are so polarised that they assume everyone else has to be. I've literally got someone else on this same thread accusing me of posting on pro-Palestinian sites!
So am I right wing or left wing? Or maybe - shock, horror 😲 - maybe I'm just not an asshole and capable of thinking for myself...
Really, what happened to people? So played...
I've never seen anyone threatened by either of these two. Just like the incorrect overuse of "phobia" for trannies and gays, not liking something doesn't equate to fear or threatened.
shareIt is typical of the clueless liberal idiots, they throw "phobe" on every word as if it magically makes the person they are talking about evil. It might fool people for a while, but eventually the overuse of it makes the word as useful as "racist" which has become an absolute joke with zero impact anymore.
shareThreatened? No, just annoyed, and tired of seeing her Down Syndrome face lecturing me about the climate scam.
shareClimate change , not to mention the imminent exhaustion of fossil fuels is the biggest threat humanity has ever faced .
By comparison the squabble in Gaza is irrelevant.
Well, it could be worse:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/17f8zwq/protest_in_new_york_city/