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A Great Soldier and General


Who cares what some sissy SJW keyboard geeks say?

https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/battle-of-antietam

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Why should a Black person or Hispanic admire Robert E Lee?

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Why should a white person admire 2pac?

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Some people believe that Tupac Shakur was a Street Prophet. He sang about the trials and tribulations of being Black in the USA.

His personal life was a mess, but so was Elvis Presley.

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Sooooo, you're sayhing he has traits or did stuff that others could respect regardless of race?

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I mean 2Pac became a gangster *after* becoming rich & successfull. It should've been the other way around if anything, don't you think? Hardly the life of a social justice activist to put it mildly. Convicted of rape and died as a result of assaulting a known gangmember. He didn't have to but he wanted to prove himself. He's been Messiah-nized and put above criticism when in reality he was a douche.

I don't know that Elvis assaulted people or joined a gang with the understanding that he might have to kill someone one day. Elvis was leading un unhealthy lifestyle of *personal addiction* not one of violent behsviour.

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The man was a hero in every sense of the word except one: He fought for the losing side.

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-Had slaves
-Didn't mind separating slave families by selling them individually
-Fought to preserve slavery
-Put Virginia over the broader military objectives of the Confederacy
-Wasted soldiers on grand offensives that he didn't have the resources for

A lowlife and failure in every sense of the word.

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"A lowlife and failure in every sense of the word."

Who? You anonymous SJW poster? It was a lowlife post.

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general. Nobody can claim otherwise.

You clearly know little about the Civil War.

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?407279-1/myth-lost

Debunking the lost cause of the Confederatecy. Also deals with the myth about Lee's supposedly great leadership from 01:20:00 onwards.

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Him making mistakes does not mean he wasn't a great soldier and general.
There were reasons he was respected by all. You going out of your way to deny that, only shows your ignorance.

He wasn't the flawless hero he was made out to be post-bellum, but to call him a "lowlife and failure" is beyond idiotic.

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Then what does? Where it counted the most, he failed.

A self-admitted traitor and very invested in upholding slavery (he went to court to contend it).

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Losing a war where hte other side has far more men and weapons, is not normally a reason to be attacked.

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They could've won even by getting a stalemate, the Union needed a concisive win. The other side's advantage does not excuse not using your own resources properly wich in the Confederacy's case would be waging a defensive war.

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"They could've won even by getting a stalemate..."

Clearly you have never served in the armed forces. What do you think they teach at West Point? "The Art of Getting a Stalemate"?

Do you think an army officer would inspire his men in battle by saying "Come on soldiers. Let's charge that hill and get a stalemate!"

https://moviechat.org/nm5055342/Robert-E-Lee/63a594f3d698e67c2a5e35ca/A-Great-Soldier-and-General?reply=63a8ed2c4eb5ec06ea60ecc5

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The objectives of a war will obviously differ and all of them ultimately end with a political agreement. Lee could've waged a defensive war and the Confederacy as a whole could've extracted a political concession: not through an outright victory but simply by remaining as an undefeated force. Instead he went on the offensive and wasted the fewer resources that were at disposal.

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Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves. Was he a "traitor"?

https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2011/julyaugust/feature/how-did-robert-e-lee-become-american-icon

After President Dwight D. Eisenhower revealed on national television that one of the four "great Americans" whose pictures hung in his office was none other than Robert E. Lee, a thoroughly perplexed New York dentist reminded him that Lee had devoted "his best efforts to the destruction of the United States government” and confessed that since he could not see "how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me."

Eisenhower replied personally and without hesitation, explaining that Lee was, "in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. . . . selfless almost to a fault . . . noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history. From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities . . . we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained."

Was Dwight D. Eisenhower a "traitor" too?

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He owned 1 slave wich he set free before the war. Lee owned 200+ and went to war for the cause of preserving and expanding the institution of slavery indefinitely. Also Lee wasn't a traitor for the slaves he owned but for the rebellion against his own country.

Selfless to a hault lmao. He detracted from the overall Confederate war effort when it suited him to run his own personal Virginia gig. Eisenhower must've read some lost cause bullshit about the saint Lee and swallowed it wholeheartedly.

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Pop quiz:

Q: Can you name the last slaveholding President of the United States?

A: Ulysses S. Grant

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/did-ulysses-grant-own-and-rent-slaves/

Robert E. Lee graduated with distinction from West Point. Second in his graduating class.

Do you think West Point taught him how to fight for a "stalemate"?

"C'mon men, let's fight and get a stalemate!" LOL

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general.

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Grant freed his slave March, 1859
Lee freed the last of his December, 1862

Only a few days before the Emancipation Proclamation act (wich would've forced him to free them regardless). Lee was the benefactor of an inheritance of these slaves so when their original owner died, Lee insisted on keeping them enslaved for 5 additional years. He petitioned to extend their slavery and getting to keep them longer than that but failed in court.

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So owning one slave (or maybe more) is OK if you freed the slaves(s) prior to the Civil War. Good to know.

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So owning one slave (or maybe more) is OK if you freed the slaves(s) prior to the Civil War. Good to know.

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No It is never fine to own slaves.

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Obviously Abraham Lincoln admired his leadership skills...

"Because of his reputation as one of the finest officers in the United States Army, Abraham Lincoln offered Lee the command of the Federal forces in April 1861. Lee declined and tendered his resignation from the army when the state of Virginia seceded on April 17, arguing that he could not fight against his own people."

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/robert-e-lee

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Understandable. It would be tough to wage war against your "own people",

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"A lowlife and failure in every sense of the word."
The force of projection is strong in this one...

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The "force of projection" is your fingers typing on a keyboard Kendricks.

If you were at the Battle of Antietam as a soldier (for either side) you would soil your pants and run away. The "force of projection" would be the watery dump saturating the lower part of your body.

It is easy to judge a great military leader from the anonymity of a keyboard on an anonymous message board.

How about Erwin Rommel?

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Erwin-Rommel

He fought and led soldiers on the losing side. Was he "A lowlife and failure in every sense of the word"?

The sissies on this board attempting (and failing) to besmirch Robert E. Lee make me laugh.

Keyboard warriors that would would run away if they found themselves in real combat.

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general.

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You are taking a lot of grief but you are in the right and I admire you sticking to your guns on this

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Thank you BeaSouth.

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And a great man.

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Yes Befus.

https://www.thoughtco.com/civil-war-battles-robert-e-lee-104677

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Next time, you will say his slaves were happy and loved him.

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Are you still here lamely trying to discredit a great man?

https://moviechat.org/nm5055342/Robert-E-Lee/6398717043687b101d2e2201/Slave-owning-Traitor?reply=63a97fcf4eb5ec06ea60f032

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"A great man" who committed treason against his own country to be part of an alliance that fought to protect slavery instead. A man who had slaves that he beat and separated from their families, as if it was just financial move like any other (wich to him it was).

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He was not a traitor. That reply just shows how little you know about Lee and the war and that time period in general. The main reason he refused command of the union army was because he didn't want to commit treason against his own state and wage war on his own people. He was a great man. No matter what imbeciles like you say.

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Yes he was. He sided with a rebellion against his own country. He was due to be charged and hanged after the war actually but due to his surrender being argued as grounds for a clemency (by none other than Grant himself), the plan was eventually dropped.

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Are you fucking stupid?
Do you understand what these mean: " ?

Did you actually READ my posts?
You are barking up the wrong tree.

I did not judge him with a single word, on the contrary.
https://i.imgur.com/IEgp7AS.png

Who is the keyboard warrior now?
You are so far gone, you're lashing out against the wrong people and of course, you do it with personal attacks.

Let's assume I would have spoken out against him - WTF does that have to do with me soiling my pants at Antietam or not!? What an incredibly stupid thing to say if you want to be taken serious, especially when you talk to people you do not know. Like we do not have wars these days or what...

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I couldn't care less if I am taken seriously by the likes of you.

"WTF does that have to do with me soiling my pants at Antietam or not!?"

It is relevant since you are attempting (and failing) to besmirch a brave and honorable man. I thought the comment was pretty funny. Probably accurate too ha ha.

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general.

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What part of me QUOTING someone did you not understand?

So tell me more about "my kind", when we literally agree, you insufferable fool!

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This was your post:

"A lowlife and failure in every sense of the word."
The force of projection is strong in this one..."

I thought you were agreeing that he was a lowlife. What does "The force of projection is strong in this one..." even mean?

That is why I sent a contrary reply.

I see now you were not agreeing with him. All good. Excuse me!

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general.

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"I thought you were agreeing that he was a lowlife. What does "The force of projection is strong in this one..." even mean?"

First, the wise thing to do would have been to fucking ASK instead of becoming incredibly hostile.
Second, why did you make a follow up comment (a personal attack even) where you used my comment against me... if you did not understand its meaning?

You really didn't do yourself any favors here.

Now, to answer your question:
"projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else. A common example is a cheating spouse who suspects their partner is being unfaithful."

That keyboard warrior calling someone like Lee a "lowlife and failure in every sense of the word" was exactly doing that. That is why I quoted his comment and said what I said.

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"First, the wise thing to do would have been to fucking ASK instead of becoming incredibly hostile.
Second, why did you make a follow up comment (a personal attack even) where you used my comment against me... if you did not understand its meaning?"

First, the wise thing to do is to express yourself in clear English without using profanity. All caps are shouting too.

My reaction was not "incredibly hostile". I thought you were agreeing someone who called General Lee a vile name.

"Now, to answer your question:
"projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else. A common example is a cheating spouse who suspects their partner is being unfaithful."

Yes, I am aware of that meaning but it was unclear from your post that was what you meant.

I see what you mean now. All good. This has been cleared up. Cheers!

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general.

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No and stop waving the losing sides flag will he is a traitor and racist

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Why don't you learn basic punctuation and word usage Joogle83?

Robert E. Lee was a very good writer.

https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2008/januaryfebruary/conversation/letters-robert-e-lee

You will never be able to write as good as General Lee. You can, however, improve your English writing skills considerably. Good luck.

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Eff "Traitor" Lee terrible person and slave owner stop waving the losing sides flag

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Another ungrammatical and poorly-written reply.

Can you read and write above a 3rd grade level?

Good luck. Maybe you will be literate some day.

Robert E. Lee was a great soldier and general. No anonymous poster or latte-sipping academic can plausibly claim otherwise.

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This was a fascinating link you posted and I appreciated it. It takes a while to get around to Lee but that lady is an incredibly knowledgeable historian with a once-in-a-lifetime chance to read letters no one had seen since 1917. I would never have thought I’d learn something from your exasperated exchange with Joogle but hopefully you’ll be glad that someone got something out of it

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Thank you BeaSouth.

He was an extraordinary man in many ways.

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