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Thought this movie was going to be great... But was pretty dissapointed.


How did this get an 8.6? That really just baffles me. What is it that you guys think was so great about this movie? I didn't hate it, but it did not deserve an 8.6 and didn't deserve a 78% on rotten tomatoes. Despite the nice action scenes which i did enjoy, and the well done symbolism with the plant, most of this movie's acting was really cheesy, the writing was O.K... but could've been so much better. The soundtrack was so bad. Natalie Portman's character was pretty damn annoying, she did play the part well for a kid, but i've seen much better.


Please, enlighten me with what was so good about this one.

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People need to understand that the IMDb top 250 is nowhere near to being a serious "greatest films" list, especially when it comes to 90s and 00s movies, because a whole lot of users aren't curious enough about cinema to dig further in its history, which leads in tons of movies from de last decades being massively overrated.

As a comparison theyshootpictures.com gathers all the "greatest films" lists from critics around the world and tries to present a mean to all of them:

The Shawshank arrives 474th, not freaking first.
No Besson movie is in the Top 1000.


So to sum it all up, the IMDb 250 does okay for old films, because well, they're rated by people who know a bit more about Cinema than Shyamalan and Michael Bay, but this list tends to overrate the "cult" movies of our younger generation (I'm 22)

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Though I fully agree that the IMDb 250 is not (and makes no claim to be) a greatest film list, I completely disagree that www.theyshootpictures.com (TSPDT) is better. Greatness is necessarily a subjective measure. There is and can be no universal set of facets (e.g. acting, script, cinematography, artistic style, symbolism), nor a universally agreed upon weighting of each facet (e.g. acting counting for more than cinematography or script or style). Under the circumstances, all any critic can claim is a respected set of biases, not objectivity about greatness.

The IMDb 250 list is better balanced than TSPDT and represents a decent statistical sample. TSPDT titles often have fewer that a few thousand endorsements each. A substantial percentage of these titles are obscure films that relatively few have seen. Also, TSPDT is heavily weighted towards top ten lists garnered from critics. Such lists favor name recognition (e.g. recommended films from the past). When reviewing the thousands of titles any respectable critic has seen over a lifetime, the titles that come to mind most easily are those others have mentioned in the past. TSPDT, and its most important contributing list the Sight & Sound decade poll, are largely petrified and very poor when it comes to newer films.

Films that achieved renown in the 1950s and 1960s, because of young Cahiers fan boys, are permanent fixtures on TSPDT. Critics like Godard established an intellectual standard that had not existed before them. However, he and others were also egotistical young fan boys. Godard not only ranked his own films as great, but also a number of American directors that he had loved as a young man. Just like the Nolan fan boys now, Godard and others lionized directors of their youth and uncritically endorsed a large percentage of their output as great because they were in love with their style, not because they were all truly better than every other film.

Those not so enamored by style rarely grant any director more than a few truly great films. TSPDT still has a laughable bias with as many as dozens of films from a small group of 50s & 60s directors. You can complain that several directors on the IMDb list have more titles than they should, but this bias is much reduced before 2000.

IMDb 250 offers:

1. Current popular resonance (a true standard of greatness for any media designed to be projected for the viewing pleasure of many)
2. A well-designed opinion poll (e.g. 160,000,000 IMDb members, high minimum number of votes, comparing ratings of every title seen, rather than just thinking up a top ten)
3. Humility about the hundreds of different facets (and the comparative weighting of these facets) that contribute to the greatness of any film. IMDb doesn’t pretend that their 250 represents the greatest films, nor should any responsible site

TSPDT offers:

1. Safe choices for those worried about being embarrassed
2. The elitism of a canon
3. A nostalgic refuge for those who think everything in the world is getting worse

I'm 60, and have been reviewing and showing films to audiences for many decades.

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I couldn't agree more; I could've re-written your review exactly. The only superb piece of acting was the character of Gary Oldman, but he didn't have many scenes in the film...

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True. I enjoyed one thing through the whole movie and that was Gary Oldman's performance, the rest was quite *beep*

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Here here. I dont know who said Gary Oldman acting was bad but he was the breakout actor in all the scenes he was in and the most believable.

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Yay, a troll. How fun and original...

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I agree that it's overrated. It's not a bad film by any means but I wouldn't say it's much more than a 7.5/10.

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IMDB's rating is no indication of whether or not YOU will like a particular movie. It's just a summary of what other people thought of this movie. I have disliked movies that others have called masterpieces. Nothing to be baffled about. Taste is subjective.

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I wonder as well why it is not 9.0 at least, 8.6 is way too low for this movie

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You clearly lack the emotional faculties to really process what's going on with this movie. No one can gift that to you, at least not with one quick post to IMDb.

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good movie.

but not as good as its rated.

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No, you just lack the capacity to appreciate it. It's not fault of this movie. It's your shortcoming.

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...says the guy who rates over 40% of the crap he sees as a 10/10.

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