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If you regularly call the other one kameltoe, you're a dick.
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Fox news is MSM controlled opposition and lies just as much as the other news networks. Many of us here are not Boomers and do not consume 24hr cable news.
shareThat would make you an unusual boomer demographically.
sharePretty tough to be a Boomer when I was born in 1978 🤣😂🤣
shareOh I misred. Even Gen X has higher network viewing rates than later gens.
shareThat's because GenX is split into 2 separate mini-gens due to Reagan allowing advertising to children to go out of control. His actions killed shows like Captain Kanagroo, and replaced them with He-Man and GI Joe.
Anyone born from 1975-82 is basically a Millennial with some "whatever, man" sprinkled on top. Every Gen Xer born before 1975 is a Boomer-Lite.
The only person in my house that watches cable TV is my 80 year old mother.
I'm not a boomer (50) but I act and think like one. I think our forefathers would've been stacking bodies by now.
shareDamn really? For some reason I thought you were like a decade older than me, but we're nearly the same age. I'm 1981.
shareThat's funny. I had assumed you're around the same age as I am but you're actually significantly older than me. Coming to the same conclusions on so many things must be more about intellect instead of age.
shareI thought we were about the same age too, but it doesn’t surprise me that you’re younger. But I’m not sure what 'significantly' means in this case. I'd be really surprised if you're in your early twenties — that would be unexpected.
shareLate 80s for me. I suppose I also assumed that because you're so knowledgeable about computer topics like internet security.
shareYeah, I was really into computers growing up. I got my first computer in 1989. It was a Tandy 1400 laptop:
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Then I got online in 1994 — those were the days — when the internet was completely free. A wild west they called it.
So late 80's, cool. Growing up in the 90's must've been nice — it was the last decent decade. Back then, kids were still allowed to be kids. Everything went to shit after 2000, with overprotective parents raising a generation of soft, sheltered pussified children.
That's awesome you got into computers so early. And damn, two floppy drives? You must have been the go to guy for getting things copied, like how later on two disc drives became useful for quickly copying cds. I was super into gaming over IPX networks with my friends a few before that, but the first computer that was mine was a Gateway with a Pentium 3 450 mhz processor. I loved that thing so much and spent way too much time on Counter-Strike, Ultima Online and whatever single player games were around back then. The internet was so much different back then as well.
The 90's were great. I couldn't picture kids today roaming around town unsupervised doing the shit we did and not getting in trouble; there's just too many cameras out there now to have the fun that we had. Cell phones and overprotective parents that all but direct their children into becoming cell phone zombies sitting around complacently and learning about the world through TikTok and such have also made that impossible.
I actually had a great time in the 2000's and early 2010 decade. I was a counter culture raver kid in between classes and went to electronic music festivals with my friends as much as possible. There were so many good times. I think the flip flop from left to right started to occur around then though. The conservatives I had grown up holding in contempt, the religious right from that time is mostly what I'm thinking of here, lost their ground and the left, who I identified then as more about personal freedom, started becoming the dominant culture. The good intentions that me and my cohort had were coopted and used cynically by the those looking for money and power. And thus here we are now, with the addition of a generation of kids that exhibit PTSD like symptoms from the pandemic and who are sheltered pussies addicted to cell phones.
The two drives were necessary because the laptop had no hard drive. The first disk drive, A:, contained the operating system, while drive B: held your programs and data. If you installed a hard drive, it would be designated as drive C:. This is why the main drive came to be known as the C: drive later on Windows computers.
With respect to the 2000s, I've had a similar journey. My main adversary was the religious right. I was a liberal because they seemed to represent my values. But around 2010, as you said, everything shifted. Liberals became the establishment, growing increasingly authoritarian. My natural reaction was to recoil. Initially, this pushed me towards the far left, where I was disillusioned with academics, elites, and intellectuals, and began to connect more with the working class. That’s how I became a socialist. But then, the ultra-woke cultural leftists began to infiltrate and destroy our spaces with their absurdity. Gradually, I pulled away from that, and now here I am, culturally far right.
It's cool that you were part of the raver scene. I always wanted to get into it, but none of my friends were into raving. I did try MDMA, though, and I absolutely fell in love with it. It’s by far the best drug I’ve ever taken. MDMA plus trance music equals pure euphoria
That's interesting and makes complete sense about the two drives. Those were on their way out when I was getting into computing, but I definitely remember using them still to transfer things from computer to another. That's a cool fact about the C: drive. I'll remember that.
It sounds like we followed a similar path, though I started out on the far left with anarchist tendencies thinking that only mala in se acts should be criminalized and all mala prohibita laws should be abolished. I think I had more faith in people then and didn't realize how stupid people are. I've since become disillusioned with the left after understanding how feelings and a lack of intelligence shape most people's outlooks. I have no confidence in the ability of the masses to govern themselves and to that extent I favor the right.
My ideal world would be a bit different though; it would involve the elimination of all of the major population centers on the planet and a collapse of all the major world powers, most likely from nuclear war, a pandemic and so on. When all of the bread and circus, parasitic fucks are gone in the cities that run the planet, and only the most intelligent, strongest and those willing to do what is necessary are left, perhaps things could be rebuilt better. I think the world is in vast need of something like hitting the reset button on a pc (or maybe reformatting?) before technology reaches a point where individuality and free will are all but lost for those not running things. Whether that's through some dystopian future from a Black Mirror episode(when the show was at least decent), highly effective chemical or psychological control, a one world government or however it could happen, what I fear most is a crystallized, homogenized world that would be unable to reinvent itself into something better. Again, I'm talking about a theoretical ideal and am not actually advocating for any harm to anyone.
There was nothing like the rave era. E was definitely the big one, though acid mushrooms and pills like aderall were also regulars. I wasn't always high, and didn't candy flip or hippie flip like many of my friends did. The music, dancing and general friendly vibe was the main draw. And yeah trance for sure had it's place as well. Playing trance music as the sun came up after a night of partying was an unspoken rule back then.
On my way to socialism, I flirted with anarcho-communism for a while. I explored theorists like David Graeber and found his ideas interesting, but I quickly realized that people can’t function without government. Governments arise naturally in states — once communities grow, laws are needed to govern them, and someone has to enforce those laws. You inevitably get a system where some make the laws and others enforce them, and that’s the root of all governments. From there, it just gets more complex as the population increases.
As for your ideal society, that’s pretty dark. I don’t really have a grand vision anymore. I used to, but I would always find a major flaw and end up abandoning it. Now, I’m focused on practical, individual issues we can realistically address — things like stopping mass immigration and preserving homogeneous societies and cultures. Also removing the Wokes from all positions of power and try to repair the damage they’ve caused to our society.
I'm sure we read many of the same works there. Ted Kaczynski's manifesto was particularly influential in my thinking. I would guess that you've read it already from our exchanges here, but here it is if you haven't and are interested:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
An excerpt:
"6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.
7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology."
I agree that the population as a whole can't exist without government. Democracy, aka rule by masses who are more directed by propaganda and feelings than their own thoughts and interests, is failed or is failing. Reactionary fascism seems to be the most obvious answer, and the one that is most likely to occur. Maybe I'll still be crossing my fingers for another K-T level extinction event, but I don't base my decisions on that premise.
Yeah, I’ve read Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto a few times. I was really into his case when I was a teenager. I remember first hearing about him on one of those Unsolved Mysteries shows in the early 90s — still vividly recall that sketch with the hood and glasses. I got into chemistry and bomb-making with my friends, building mini plastic pipe bombs and setting them off in a forest near our house. I was fascinated by how bombs worked, especially the different types of detonation circuits, and that naturally led me to an interest in Kaczynski. Just as I started getting into his case, he got caught. I remember a few years later, when I was already in high school, reading a book about his arrest by some FBI author. Eventually, I grew out of the whole pyro phase and moved on to more normal teenage stuff like dating and hanging out. But years later, as an adult — probably around ten years ago — I read his manifesto again and started vibing with his ideas. He had some solid insights into the problems with society, but he went about it the wrong way. Killing random innocent people wasn’t the solution.
shareHe definitely went about it the wrong way and I don't think his ideas would ever be accepted and implemented by the masses. It's about as pragmatically relevant as The Republic, Utopia and The Communist Manifesto. But I'm still a fan. That's cool you can vibe with it as well.
Coming full circle to what we already talked about before with being unrestricted youths, I had a similar phase. One of my friends got ahold of the Anarchist Cookbook and we were messing around with the random shit in there like tennis ball bombs. I was too young and not knowledgeable enough to think of it in terms of chemistry, but things got real when we made thermite. That was pretty much the end of the line for me.
I was thinking about what you said what I said before being dark, and it's also probably being colored right now by me being sick with the stomach flu. I have a tendency to be a dick when I'm not feeling well and it's good I don't have access to the big red button right now.
Yeah, that’s how I got started. A friend gave me the Anarchist Cookbook on a disk, along with the Terrorist’s Handbook. The Terrorist’s Handbook had all the chemistry stuff, and that’s what really got me interested in chemistry. I was really into it.
As for political systems, have you read Curtis Yarvin, also known as Mencius Moldbug? He’s like a political philosopher and pretty popular with the alt-right. He has this idea that the U.S. should be a monarchy, which ties into his whole neo-reactionary thing. He gives a solid breakdown of how the U.S. state functions, and he refers to the permanent state as 'the Cathedral'—it’s a pretty interesting concept.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral
I'm really sorry to hear you're feeling under the weather. I hope it passes soon. And yeah, I totally get the impulse. There are times I feel like hitting the red button too when I think about state of the world.
Awesome. We had The Terrorist's Handbook too and I hadn't thought of it in so long I was conflating the two.
Yes, I'm familiar with Curtis Yarvin. He's probably one of the most relevant thinkers in today's context. I'm more a fan of his critiques and constructs like you mentioned than his notion of a corporate monarchy with oligarchic tendencies but I'm glad to have come across him.
Thanks for saying that. You're one of the coolest people here. I'll recover soon and then maybe get sick one more time before I'm fine the rest of the year.
By the way, I'm randomly curious about something. We tend to come to the same conclusions in discussions more often than not, and I'm interested in what your perspectives on a lot of things are. Do you think fascism or extreme right-wing ideologies would be an endgame form that societies would adopt, or do you primarily see that as a means towards combatting what is necessary now? In a way I suppose I'm asking if you tends towards the idealistic or pragmatic, discounting it can be argued that pragmatism itself may be one's ideal.
Thanks for saying that. You're one of the coolest people here
So, what you're saying, is believe Fox news, except when you don't believe it.
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This reads like you had a predetermined response in your head, but it didnt really fit, but you shoved it in anyway...
If I was doing that, I would have said something like,
"Talking with some Trumpers - it's good for two things, degreasing engines and killing brain cells" - Cypher, Star Wars.
Belief shouldn't be a cultlike devotion. It's pretty stupid to just trust whatever you hear without assessing its merit.
shareLast time I quoted you, you said I was talking gibberish.
A cult is where your leader can do no wrong.
"It's pretty stupid to just trust whatever you hear without assessing its merit." And yet, Trumpers do.
No, I said you were talking in circles, because every one of your responses circled back to "zero-day problem, 7 billion people, no right answer" as if that excuses any of the fake science I was addressing.
shareI quoted you, and you said I was talking gobbledey.
You seemed not to understand long reasoned paragraphs, so I had to try and reduce it to a single sentence. Most of your accusations of fake science was from the MSM - who are lying. Or Alex Jones.....who......er......isn't.
"It's pretty stupid to just trust whatever you hear without assessing its merit." I think you mean truthfullness/validity rather than merit. But I do appreciate you only putting in a single gobbledey word, it does make it easier to translate, and helps to show why the other things you said didn't make sense.
The vaccine was capitalisms (which is good) best effort at providing a response, so that governments could say "We tried", when asked. Both Repubs and Dems made money on the side of it, I'm sure.
A cult is still where your leader can do no wrong.
Never once in my life have I uttered the word "gobbledey".
shareIt's shorthand, for gobbledeygook. Alternatives are available from thesaurus.com.
shareI'm glad you also recognize this, congrats. It irks me to think that Faux thinks they're not MSM just because they're one big conglomerate of Conservative news vs the many other Liberal oriented ones.
shareI'll never understand this insistence that normie-libs have in clinging to their "FAUX NewZ!" boogeyman. Move on, Fox is what it is and doesn't move the needle for anyone. It's not 2003 anymore.
shareIt's because O'Bama droned🥁 on about Fox News for 8 straight years.... it's left over code in the programming.
shareYou're just upset because Fox News Entertainment doesn't love the Orange Shitgibbon anymore. The next few months are going to be very difficult for you. It's fun watching Trump lose. He lost the debate and he will lose again in November. Too bad for you...
shareso now that you magas have fallen out with Fox because they no longer repeat Trump lies because it would put them out of business ...
Does that mean ALL media is fake news lies?
A golden oldie:
https://rumble.com/vrkgip-flashback-rachel-maddow-vaccine-stops-covid-and-prevents-further-transmissi.html
christ. Are you still on about that? Most people: "The vaccine helps". the news: "this is what it might take to get people to take the vaccine". There's an old Chinese saying, "who cares how you get them to take something beneficial, as long as they take it". Lincoln probably said it. resist the power.
shareBiden said the same thing. He was a pretty important guy at the time...
An experimental shot with no testing should have never been promoted as 100% Safe and Effective. But was.
It should have never been politicized, but it was.
Viable treatments should have never been suppressed.
The "Anti-Vaxers" didn't start this.
Vaccine - more benefits than harm. zero-day 7 billion people problem, which didn't have a right answer. 'they're lying to you'.
If you believe that an announcement that a treatment for an illness is 100% safe and effective - you do you. Announcements are generally translated into language that will get the population to receive treatment, in this case that was a global emergency response to a zero-day problem. There are many specific examples of mistakes being made, eg Thalidomide. I can guarantee, that no government or pharma wants another thalidomide on it's hands.
I'm going to go on a mad guess here, and say that it wasn't the political party that was in power, that politicized it. I realise that Covid started under Trump and continued under Biden - so when the Dems were criticizing the Repubs (just a random guess), I agree that once the Dems took over, the Repubs should have said "we aren't going to continue politicizing it".
"Viable treatments should have never been suppressed." - I thought we liked big capitalism.
Is most of your commentary from Alex Jones?
Perhaps if you're 80, morbidly obese, already had severe health problems etc.
Are you aware of long term, longitudinal studies about the effects of mRNA vaccinations on the general population as well as on individuals with genetic predispositions to, well anything?
I don't think you are because they don't exist from this form of vaccination. As a sceptic I can make a true claim there. You on the other hand cannot and are operating on faith.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/misleading-data-used-claim-covid-vaccines-do-more-harm-than-good-2024-03-21/ . I realise that the MSM is evil and that I've just quoted it. But it's good not being a sheep and resisting the power. top-up the Vodafone and check out the new iPad. and, Starbucks, please.
"Are you aware of long term....studies" - Even if there were any for the Covid vax, they would be reported by the MSM. Which is lying. and any genuine studies, are suppressed. Because, Alex Jones said so. For the straw mannery, I am not saying there have not been suppressed studies :rolleyes:. There were. Like. were nuclear tests totally safe. Which they completely are.
I'm aware that the general "vacc program" was an "emergency" response best effort with the current corrupt capitalist pharma system (we like capitalist though), and that Trump probably had a lot more connections to it than you (or that guy over there) think. And maybe even the Democrat party.
"As a sceptic I can make a true claim there." - You're welcome to claim that.
"You on the other hand cannot and are operating on faith." - You're also welcome to think that.
You wrote all that while being so retarded that you don't realize there are no long term studies about the vaccines because they were created in the last few years. It's funny you're that stupid.
shareIt's tedious that you are. You also know, that all long term studies have been suppressed. Because that's what happens. ass-wrangled dipshit.
share"It's tedious that you are."
Thanks for the insight, Yoda.
"You also know, that all long term studies have been suppressed."
I just mentioned that long term studies don't exist because the vaccines were only developed and implemented within the last few years. Is there a part of this that you can't comprehend?
"Thanks for the insight"
I'm sure it's already been mentioned.
You said "the vaccines". You didn't specify "Covid vaccines". If you act like a dick, people tend to ignore the words that come out of your mouth. For example, what you don't do with Alex Jones.
I'll try to use short sentences.
No-one wants another Thalidomide. The only people who benefit are lawyers, who people like Elon probably make money from. You like Elon.
If the government had done nothing, all the population would be doing (and more to the fucking point, republicans), is shouting "[scream]why aren't you doing something[/scream]". The government followed the rules of capitalism (you like capitalism), to come up with a best effort solution, at 0 days notice. There are continuing studies.
If you don't want to be a sheep, throw away your iPad and stop drinking Starbucks.
Your right that I didn't specify Covid vaccines, instead I said "mRNA vaccinations" which is specifically what I was referring to. I wasn't talking about the Novavax Covid vaccine, for example.
"I realise that Covid started under Trump and continued under Biden - so when the Dems were criticizing the Repubs (just a random guess), I agree that once the Dems took over, the Repubs should have said "we aren't going to continue politicizing it"."
That came from the end of your post that I responded to. That established the context here.
"No-one wants another Thalidomide. The only people who benefit are lawyers, who people like Elon probably make money from. You like Elon.
If the government had done nothing, all the population would be doing (and more to the fucking point, republicans), is shouting "[scream]why aren't you doing something[/scream]". The government followed the rules of capitalism (you like capitalism), to come up with a best effort solution, at 0 days notice. There are continuing studies."
You're talking a little crazy here but I like it. I sincerely mean that as a compliment.
"throw away your iPad and stop drinking Starbucks"
At least we can agree on that. Fuck one button mouse Mac's and Starbucks baristas that ask for your name so they can write it on those stupid cups.
"That came from the end of your post that I responded to. That established the context here."
The politicizing comment was replying to someone else. tbh the amount of scrambled eggs gets confusing.
"It should have never been politicized, but it was" - Anything, in the world, ever, gets politicized. It's because producing solutions is difficult, but criticizing the other side is easy.
That's..............super. And that's..................also super. I wouldn't have used that term. But. Whatever floats your mouse. I mean, if I could charge 20% extra for the price of a marker pen, I probably would.
Your image of a conservative is outdated. No one watches Fox News or any mainstream media anymore. The right wing isn't a monolithic group anymore, it's split into various distinct factions, each with its own media ecosystem. You've got libertarians, who lean on sources like Reason, the Cato Institute, and Ron Paul’s media outlet. Religious conservatives stick with outlets like The Daily Wire, PragerU, and CBN News, following people like Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens. The older boomer mainstream conservatives might still turn to Fox, but even they are more likely to watch Newsmax. Then there's the MAGA crowd, who turn to Tucker Carlson, Breitbart, OANN. Finally, you have the alt-right or far-right, who are skeptical of most journalists and get their news from a handful like Matt Taibbi or Glenn Greenwald, but mostly share info with each other on GAB, X, and Telegram.
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What's the actual full quote, and is what is projected on Trump true or false by the MSM, Dems, corporate America, academia, Hollywood/tv?
Though bad move for Trump to site Fox "characters" than other personalities... but o'well it's in the past now.
This thread has taken a curious turn .
The OP suggested Trumpers reject all media except Fox as "lying MSM" , and the response hasnt been to defend the asinine conspiracy theory that the illuminati is somehow controlling every news outlet in the world ,
its been "no we dont like Fox either"
They do lie, all day long. The difference is that we know the media is biased, Fox one way, everybody else the other. The people that swallow CNN's and MSNBC's garbage just think it's news.
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